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Pete ...<br><br>
It is "worse" (?) than 80% ... its actually 85%
...!<br><br>
So presumably if 99% don't obey, then the facility should be changed ...
!<br><br>
But NOT the rule because there are many other seemingly
"similar" circumstances where (as with traffic speed) the rule
may be right or wrong depending on context.<br><br>
Here at Indro, it is clear that peds need a high visibility and high
priority pedestrian crossing ie zebras, if only to encourage the school
kids and the occasional pedestrians.<br><br>
MY...............<br><br>
At 10:50 AM 19/01/2010, Peter Whittle wrote:<br><br>
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<i>Haha, good point. We read recently that road speed limits are set by
the speed 80% of motorists do J<br>
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</i><b>From:</b> bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au
[<a href="mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au" eudora="autourl">
mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 19 January 2010 7:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> kim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> BikeQld<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bikeqld] Moggill Rd crossing at Indooroopilly<br>
<br>
Throwing this into the ring...<br>
<br>
if 99% of cyclists ride across it now anyway, then what's the problem?
The 1% of cyclists who walk and the 1% of them who might slip over in
their cleats? <br>
<br>
Are you suggesting main roads need to invest more money and - as you say,
"knock out some concrete edging" to cater for the clumsy
few?<br>
<br>
As for signs warning about cyclists.... how far up Moggill Road are the
signs warning about pedestrians? Do cyclists really need special warning
signs?<br>
<br>
<br>
My view: the problem here is not the lack of a clear cyclist path, the
problem is the law(s) which makes the path a requirement. Change the law
.... and the path, the lights, the knocked off edging would all be
moot.<br>
<br>
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On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:00 PM, kim
<<a href="mailto:pharmer_kim@hotmail.com">pharmer_kim@hotmail.com</a>
> wrote:<br>
Ok finally got hold of someone in MR who knew a little about the changes
at that crossing, but not a whole lot. The person involved was still on
leave till the 27th. The person I spoke to had said that the request for
a bicycle crossing had come from a 'bicycle group'. I presumed this to
mean Bicycle Queensland. I asked if the job was finished and he said it
was finished for now. I pointed out the futility of just adding the ride
across at the lights and not the slip lanes. He claimed that it did allow
the cyclists to 'ride a bit further', he did not see the ridiculousness
of the dismount-mount-dismount-mount needed to ride this little extra. I
asked if that is what was requested by the 'bicycle group' and he was a
little hesitant to give details but did allude to a plan they had to put
a bike crossing point a bit further up the slip lane. He claims that this
was not done due to lack of funding and the fact that this whole
intersection would be up for a change when the Toowong tunnel is
started/finished. I could not pin him down on why the bike crossing of
the slip lane would cost so much to make it not possible now. I gather
they looked at widening the gap in the median strip which means knocking
out some concrete edging - big deal. I pointed out that right now 99% of
cyclists ride across now as it is safer and more expedient for the flow
of traffic if they do not become pedestrians and have to step slowly and
unsurely across in their cleats. I pointed out that aside from the narrow
gap in the median, that the cyclists can ride clear of the marked
crossing anyway. I pointed out that their were no signs on Moggill Rd
warning cars of the cyclists crossing and MR were burying their heads in
the sand to pretend all cyclists are dismounting and becoming
pedestrians.<br>
I am wondering if BQ is happy with the outcome or whether they are still
on the case or perhaps it was not even them that were involved.<br><br>
<br>
k<br><br>
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