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<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Haha, good point. We read recently that road speed limits are
set by the speed 80% of motorists do </span></i><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au
[mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 19 January 2010 7:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> kim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> BikeQld<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bikeqld] Moggill Rd crossing at Indooroopilly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Throwing this into the ring...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>if 99% of cyclists ride across it now anyway, then what's
the problem? The 1% of cyclists who walk and the 1% of them who might slip over
in their cleats? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Are you suggesting main roads need to invest more money and
- as you say, "knock out some concrete edging" to cater for the
clumsy few?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As for signs warning about cyclists.... how far up Moggill
Road are the signs warning about pedestrians? Do cyclists really need special
warning signs?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>My view: the problem here is not the lack of a clear cyclist
path, the problem is the law(s) which makes the path a requirement. Change the
law .... and the path, the lights, the knocked off edging would all be moot.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:00 PM, kim <<a
href="mailto:pharmer_kim@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pharmer_kim@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Ok finally got hold of someone in MR who knew a little about
the changes at that crossing, but not a whole lot. The person involved was
still on leave till the 27th. The person I spoke to had said that the request
for a bicycle crossing had come from a 'bicycle group'. I presumed this to mean
Bicycle Queensland. I asked if the job was finished and he said it was finished
for now. I pointed out the futility of just adding the ride across at the
lights and not the slip lanes. He claimed that it did allow the cyclists to
'ride a bit further', he did not see the ridiculousness of the
dismount-mount-dismount-mount needed to ride this little extra. I asked if that
is what was requested by the 'bicycle group' and he was a little hesitant to
give details but did allude to a plan they had to put a bike crossing point a
bit further up the slip lane. He claims that this was not done due to lack of
funding and the fact that this whole intersection would be up for a change when
the Toowong tunnel is started/finished. I could not pin him down on why the
bike crossing of the slip lane would cost so much to make it not possible now.
I gather they looked at widening the gap in the median strip which means
knocking out some concrete edging - big deal. I pointed out that right now 99%
of cyclists ride across now as it is safer and more expedient for the flow of
traffic if they do not become pedestrians and have to step slowly and unsurely
across in their cleats. I pointed out that aside from the narrow gap in the
median, that the cyclists can ride clear of the marked crossing anyway. I
pointed out that their were no signs on Moggill Rd warning cars of the cyclists
crossing and MR were burying their heads in the sand to pretend all cyclists
are dismounting and becoming pedestrians.<br>
I am wondering if BQ is happy with the outcome or whether they are still on the
case or perhaps it was not even them that were involved.<o:p></o:p></p>
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k<br>
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-- <br>
>From <a href="http://www.gcta.asn.au" target="_blank">www.gcta.asn.au</a><br>
RESPECT Others<br>
Respect other visitors to the forest<br>
Expect someone may be around the next corner<br>
Slow to approach others<br>
Pass with care<br>
Everyone wants to enjoy the trails<br>
Control your speed<br>
Train when the trails are not busy<o:p></o:p></p>
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