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Thanks Ian and Kim ...<br><br>
So the design (?) was designed by BCC "experts", approved by
Main Roads "experts" and BQ also "nodded" when
"consulted" ... perhaps they were all asleep???<br><br>
Little wonder then that ....................... :-X ...!<br><br>
MY................<br><br>
At 12:32 PM 18/09/2009, kim wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Thanks Ian for separating that
one out, I think I probably got carried away in my last rant about
Council :) .<br>
I pointed out to Council that this crossing point was in MR jurisdiction
as they control 50m up the side roads including Miskin St. They said that
they had got the nod from MR which really leaves you wondering how that
was the case. I was actually a bit surprised when I saw what was really a
traffic calming measure on this road and now more surprised that Council
did not think it out. It's kinda ironic too that now they have a fresh
black crossing there, and have widened the refuge, that cars still think
they need to stop if they see a bike on the refuge or heading for it. I
would advise cyclists to watch their situation if cars do stop and then
beckon them across just in case the car does get rear ended, the motorist
might claim that the cyclist was shooting out in front of them. That two
into one lane is bad on an intersection that size too.<br>
The little dog leg to go from the crossing point(s) to the contra flow
green lane is not nice, its a bit off camber and has some trees which
shed over it creating a slippery condition for that sharp angle. As
Michael Y pointed out, forcing all the cycles on the blind side of the
left turning buses (they go left then around the roundabout and back up
miskin to turn right into the depot) is a bad move. Most cyclists I have
seen just go diagonal onto the green but it looks like there is an
obstructing build out from the kerb there planned. The whole thing seemed
to just stop after they put that traffic calm 'in the wrong place'. I
think by rights the green is supposed to have an edge line too. Right now
it is not apparent at night.<br><br>
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:55:33 +1000<br>
> From: list-bikeqld@lister.dnsalias.net<br>
> To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au<br>
> Subject: [bikeqld] Re: Miskin St crossing (was Re: info (missing)
aboutbikeways)<br>
> <br>
> P.S. for anybody not familiar with the area, here's what we're
talking <br>
> about:<br>
> <b>>
<a href="http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:Miskin_Street_crossing_August_2009.jpg" eudora="autourl">
http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:Miskin_Street_crossing_August_2009.jpg</a>
<br>
>
<a href="http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:Miskin_Street_crossing_September_2009.jpg" eudora="autourl">
http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:Miskin_Street_crossing_September_2009.jpg</a>
<br>
>
<a href="http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/North_Toowong_corridor#Crossing_of_Miskin_Street" eudora="autourl">
http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/North_Toowong_corridor#Crossing_of_Miskin_Street</a>
<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Ian Lister wrote:<br>
> > On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, kim wrote:<br>
> > [snip]<br>
> >> One last note, I did ask about the Toowong bus depot/Miskin
St design.<br>
> >> I asked what happened there. They told me that the red
traffic<br>
> >> calming/crossing point "was put in the wrong
place".<br>
> > [snip]<br>
> ><br>
> > Funnily enough, after a few attempts I had somebody at Council
call me back <br>
> > about this this morning, and was told it was a
"residential area entry <br>
> > treatment" and caused problems because motorists got
confused and started <br>
> > giving way to cyclists on it (perish the thought). This was
reported to have <br>
> > lead to near-accidents as other motorists going (nearly) too
fast for the <br>
> > unexpected almost ran up the back of them.<br>
> ><br>
> > The officer I spoke to (in the transport infrastructure unit)
also indicated <br>
> > there were no further plans to improve this crossing, not even
the holding <br>
> > rails that Cr Magub promised would be restored however many
(three?) years <br>
> > ago that it is now. If anybody else here thinks this crossing
needs some <br>
> > improvement, I suggest you give Council a call (3403 8888) and
let them know.<br>
> ><br>
> > Cheers,<br>
> ><br>
> > Ian<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
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