From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Mon Mar 1 16:24:33 2010 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Mon Mar 1 16:24:48 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Numbers expected to be up in annual bike count Message-ID: <882797.56539.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From the ABC's website. Pity about the rain :-(. Cyclists in six states will have their ride to work recorded this morning, as part of the country's annual bike count. Hundreds of people will tally the number of cyclists along popular routes in cities and regional centres around Australia. Bicycle Victoria spokesman Garry Brennan says the information is useful for city planners. "We need to know where people are coming from and where they're going and how many of them there are," he said. "When we get the trends from year to year, we get a lot of really useful information which helps councils and transport agencies do the right sort of planning and construction of the facilities that bike riders need." He says the analysis of the data will show whether the numbers are going up or down on a particular route and other valuable information. "The total numbers are important and they probably will be up, but it's the detail that's really useful," he said. Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100301/b6b58ed3/attachment.htm From peterw60 at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 01:58:03 2010 From: peterw60 at gmail.com (Peter Whittle) Date: Thu Mar 4 01:58:59 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] New Brisbane Cyclist website Message-ID: <000601cabb70$6dbacb50$493061f0$@com> Hi all I'm sure you will like this website and join up. http://www.brisbanecyclist.com/ Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100304/86189b9a/attachment.htm From Margaret.Nugent at aph.gov.au Thu Mar 11 19:02:08 2010 From: Margaret.Nugent at aph.gov.au (Nugent, Margy (B. Ripoll, MP)) Date: Thu Mar 11 19:10:33 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane 2 Ipswich Bike Ride 2010 Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/bmp Size: 51894 bytes Desc: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) Url : http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100312/7f61a3fb/attachment-0001.bin From michael at yeatesit.biz Thu Mar 11 19:58:48 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Thu Mar 11 19:58:44 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: "Which manifesto pledges for cycling would get your attention? " Message-ID: <20100312015812.EUAC2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> What with elections in the offing here ... both state (Qld) and more particularly federal ... same problems here as in the UK ...?? One response I have received already is included in red below ... for information only ... but perhaps it is informative of general SEQ community attitudes ... and appears to fit quite well with Mick Fanning's excellent letter in the current Westside News ...! MY............... >Subject: "Which manifesto pledges for cycling would get your attention? " >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:49:36 +1000 > > > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/green-living-blog/2010/mar/09/manifesto-pledges-cycling > > > > >Which manifesto pledges for cycling would get your attention? > > > >Cyclists are being encouraged to get in touch >with their parliamentary candidates to sound out their views > >As I'm sure you're all only too aware, there's a >general election looming and it's likely to be a >close >one. Key deciding factors will, of course, be >things like the economy, crime and policing, >education, the usual stuff. But what about >transport ? and, more particularly, >cycling? > >It might sound like a curious notion, but it's >the basis of the UK's national cyclists' >organisation newly launched >Vote Bike campaign.? > >The CTC is asking would-be MPs to sign up to a >checklist >of bike-based aspirations, from the fairly >specific ? a doubling of bike use in the next >decade ? to the more general, for example "the >appropriate opening up of green spaces, forest >land, rights of way, waterways and sections of >Britain's coast". CTC members and other cyclists >are being encouraged to get in touch with their >local parliamentary candidates to sound out their views. > >I have to admit that even as a keen cyclist I >have no idea what my local MP, >Tessa Jowell, >really thinks about me and my fellow pedallers. >As minister for the Olympics I suppose she's >sort of obliged to be pro-sport, at least >officially, and she has >promised >to help the fast-crumbling Herne Hill velodrome >in south London, in her constituency. There's >even a >picture >on her website of Jowell looking slightly wobbly on a track bike. > >Much as I think the CTC campaign is worthy, it >does have to be noted that Tessa is hardly >likely to be quaking in her boots at the power >of the cycling lobby, given the current >electoral system. She won more than 45% of the >vote >in >the 2005 general election, so even if every >single local cyclist goes, say, Green, she's still odds on for another term. > >More generally, should we be deciding our votes >on such issues? I suppose the answer is yes and >no. For example, the BNP could sign up to every >single CTC demand and I'd still mark my cross >elsewhere (as an aside, I have no idea what >their cycling policy is, though I was intrigued >to learn that a BNP member >n?????lZb >?brand=RECOnline&category=newsIlford&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsilford&itemid=WeED17%20Sep%202009%2009%3A10%3A23%3A910>is >now vice-chairing one local council's cycling liaison committee). > >But I do think that issues connected to >transport, and our wider living environment, get >marginalised in politics. There are few policy >areas that affect everyday life as much as, say, >town planning and road building, but when was >the last time they got chewed over on >Question Time? > >I was fascinated by an >interview >last week with Colin Pritchard, a professor of >social psychiatry, who makes the point that >while just over 80 children are violently killed >each year in England and Wales, 135 die in road >accidents, yet the former is the subject of >immeasurably more hand-wringing and political debate. > >To end, here's a few manifesto pledges that would get my attention: > >? An obligation for all schools to provide >secure bike parking and encouragement for pupils >to ride to school. Teachers who >spread >scare stories about cycling would be politely reprimanded. > >? A >strict >liability law for motorists, for both cyclists >and pedestrians (meaning that motorists' >insurance companies would be legally liable for >compensating pedestrian and cyclist victims of >road crashes in civil law cases). Yes, it would >be controversial, but it seems to work fine in >Denmark and the Netherlands. The message to >motorists would be simple: you're in control of >a tonne of rigid metal, something which can, and >does, kill people. This brings >great >responsibilities, which need to be recognised better. > >? A compulsory cycling element to all driving >tuition. All those physically able to do so >should spend a fortnight travelling around by bike before they get a car. > >Any more ideas? >I recommend the comments for both the usual >motorists' waffle, the usual cyclists' piffle >and the occasional sensible and lucid >acknowledgment that neither group is pure as, >and both groups should be fully insured and pass >road-user skills tests for example. The debate >over helmets for example is illuminating . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100312/8d2d7bce/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Thu Mar 11 22:37:34 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Thu Mar 11 22:37:11 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Danger ... do NOT cycle across side streets Message-ID: <20100312043658.NEQI2192.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> The warning in the subject line is a bit of a media-style attention grabber ... However it has emerged that it is being argued that a shared path ends at the next cross road whether or not there are END signs ... So in the spirit of encouraging cyclists by making the dollars go further, it appears the END signs are not being installed ... in order to save money. Thus a shared path say 1km long with cross roads every 80m (which can be common in Brisbane) will appear as one long path but in fact has up to 12 or 13 separate bits of path. It seems the CYCLISTS DISMOUNT TO CROSS ROAD signs (and similar) had legislative effect ... removing them was a way of appeasing those who complained about the poor LOS of such facilities ... but the government(s) didn't change the legislation. The matter could be tested ,... better if it doesn't have to ... but in the interim, it is worth noting ... the vehicle turning into or out of the cross street apparently has legal protection if you cycle across and get hit ... Please don't ask me or debate what we think should be the exact legal status ... please ask QT and/or MR and/or the Ministers involved ....! I must say I am surprised ... MY ................... From michael at yeatesit.biz Mon Mar 15 18:46:03 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Mon Mar 15 18:47:16 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: Google Maps Adds A Bike There Feature [if only Navman would do the same] Message-ID: <20100315234558.EPRW1978.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Hi .. Maybe everybody knows about this ..? Great potential for being used to show the "no go" areas where it is therefore necessary to question "why" it IS a no go area. Also great for motorists .. to plan their journeys to avoid the areas populated by cyclists ... ;-) MY ....................... >Subject: Google Maps Adds A Bike There Feature >[if only Navman would do the same] >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:42:11 +1000 > > >Google Maps Added A Bike There Feature! 5 Ways It Could Change America > > > > > >How adding safe, flat directions for cyclists >could put us on a faster track towards car-free living > > >By >Jaymi >Heimbuch >San Francisco, CA, USA | Thu Mar 11, 2010 03:30 PM ET > >http://planetgreen.discovery.com/tech-transport/google-maps-bike-feature.html?campaign=daylife-article > > >City cyclists rejoice! After several years of >prodding by bicycle and alternative >transportation enthusiasts, Google has launched >a new feature in their map directions - a bike there feature. > >Now you can get directions for biking to a >location, but not just any old directions >pointing you down the same roads the mapping >program would point a car. Nope, Google has gone >the extra mile to provide directions that lead >you down streets with the best bike lanes, >av?.$0??????lZb oid the busiest traffic lights, >and pedal along the flattest routes. > >All you need to do is hit the drop down box for >selecting your transportation method and select >"bike there." The directions generated will >direct you along the flattest route, will help >you avoid the busiest intersections, and will >show you when there are bike-only trails or when >there are bike lanes available on the roads. It >shows you a great layer, highlighting: > * Dark green indicates a dedicated bike-only trail; > * Light green indicates a dedicated bike lane along a road; > * Dashed green indicates roads that are > designated as preferred for bicycling, but without dedicated lanes >Already available for 150 cities and growing, >the mapping feature has the potential to >significantly change the way transportation is >done in cities. But the impact goes deeper than >simple here-to-there directions. Here are 5 ways >the Google mapping feature is a really big deal. > > >How Google Map's Bike There Feature Can Shake Things Up > > > >1. Lower C02 Emissions in Cities - By providing >directions for the easiest, safest route, more >people will be willing to take the bike instead >of the car to work and on errands. Fewer cars on >the road means less emissions in the air. The >average passenger car puts out around >11,450 >pounds of CO2 per year, or just shy of 1 pound >of CO2 per mile. Imagine if 100 people are >inspired by these easy directions, and hop on a >bike instead of a car for at least 10 miles a >week. That's 47,632 pounds of CO2 per year >saved. Imagine if 1,000 people did that, or >5,000 people. Soon, we're talking tons of CO2 >saved every year just in your city alone. > >2. A Tool for Cyclists to Change City Planning - >As popular routes for cycling through the city >pop up, cyclists will have a new tool to lobby >city planners to provide?.$0??????lZb better >bike lanes and trails, and safer intersections. >Showing how many people use the flattest, safest >routes provided by Google Maps will hold weight >in making cities more bike >friendly. >As New York City has proven, when more cyclists >hit the roads, the roads get more cyclist friendly. > >3. Get Americans Exercising - Two big things >keeping many people off bikes and in cars is >safety concerns and the fact that you have to >exercise. Knowing they're getting the safest, >flattest route to their destination, perhaps >more people will be likely to ditch the car for >the bike. And that means more Americans getting >exercise! Cycling is >saving >Australia millions in health care costs, and >could do the same here. If you want to start out >slow, take the >2 >mile bicycling challenge! > >4. Saving More People Money in Tight Times - >Cycling from place to place is just plain cheap. >No oil changes or expensive repairs, no paying >for gas and parking and car insurance and car >washes and... As >numbers >in a recent survey on the increase in >alternative transportation has shown, the >recession has gone a long way in switching >people who could once easily afford a car over >into public transportation, walking, and cycling >in order to lighten the burden on their wallets. > >5. Give People a Higher Quality of Life - Okay, >this one is really dependent upon if people >actually take up cycling as a serious >alternative to cars. But let's think about it: >Much of the time, when it comes to navigating a >city at least, it's even faster than driving >because you can avoid the traffic?.$0??????lZb >jams and lack of parking that plagues drivers. A >healthier life, with more time, and more money >on your hands. Could you ask for much more? >Google's mapping feature just makes it that much >easier to be a cyclist, and hopefully makes it >that much easier for people to make the transition away from cars. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100316/df824fa3/attachment.htm From peterw60 at gmail.com Mon Mar 15 19:08:04 2010 From: peterw60 at gmail.com (Peter Whittle) Date: Mon Mar 15 19:08:45 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: Google Maps Adds A Bike There Feature [if only Navman would do the same] In-Reply-To: <20100315234558.EPRW1978.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20100315234558.EPRW1978.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <002e01cac49c$c3a25b20$4ae71160$@com> It?s only enabled for the USA at the moment, as far as I?m aware. Here, we?ve got driving and walking options. Seeing as bikes in Qld can use footpaths, that pretty much covers it. Pete From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Michael Yeates Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2010 9:46 AM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au; bfa-oz@topica.com Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: Google Maps Adds A Bike There Feature [if only Navman would do the same] Hi .. Maybe everybody knows about this ..? Great potential for being used to show the "no go" areas where it is therefore necessary to question "why" it IS a no go area. Also great for motorists .. to plan their journeys to avoid the areas populated by cyclists ... ;-) MY ....................... Subject: Google Maps Adds A Bike There Feature [if only Navman would do the same] Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:42:11 +1000 Google Maps Added A Bike There Feature! 5 Ways It Could Change America How adding safe, flat directions for cyclists could put us on a faster track towards car-free living By Jaymi Heimbuch San Francisco, CA, USA | Thu Mar 11, 2010 03:30 PM ET http://planetgreen.discovery.com/tech-transport/google-maps-bike-feature.htm l?campaign=daylife-article City cyclists rejoice! After several years of prodding by bicycle and alternative transportation enthusiasts, Google has launched a new feature in their map directions - a bike there feature. Now you can get directions for biking to a location, but not just any old directions pointing you down the same roads the mapping program would point a car. Nope, Google has gone the extra mile to provide directions that lead you down streets with the best bike lanes, av?.$0??????lZb oid the busiest traffic lights, and pedal along the flattest routes. All you need to do is hit the drop down box for selecting your transportation method and select "bike there." The directions generated will direct you along the flattest route, will help you avoid the busiest intersections, and will show you when there are bike-only trails or when there are bike lanes available on the roads. It shows you a great layer, highlighting: * Dark green indicates a dedicated bike-only trail; * Light green indicates a dedicated bike lane along a road; * Dashed green indicates roads that are designated as preferred for bicycling, but without dedicated lanes Already available for 150 cities and growing, the mapping feature has the potential to significantly change the way transportation is done in cities. But the impact goes deeper than simple here-to-there directions. Here are 5 ways the Google mapping feature is a really big deal. How Google Map's Bike There Feature Can Shake Things Up 1. Lower C02 Emissions in Cities - By providing directions for the easiest, safest route, more people will be willing to take the bike instead of the car to work and on errands. Fewer cars on the road means less emissions in the air. The average passenger car puts out around 11,450 pounds of CO2 per year , or just shy of 1 pound of CO2 per mile. Imagine if 100 people are inspired by these easy directions, and hop on a bike instead of a car for at least 10 miles a week. That's 47,632 pounds of CO2 per year saved. Imagine if 1,000 people did that, or 5,000 people. Soon, we're talking tons of CO2 saved every year just in your city alone. 2. A Tool for Cyclists to Change City Planning - As popular routes for cycling through the city pop up, cyclists will have a new tool to lobby city planners to provide?.$0??????lZb better bike lanes and trails, and safer intersections. Showing how many people use the flattest, safest routes provided by Google Maps will hold weight in making cities more bike friendly. As New York City has proven, when more cyclists hit the roads, the roads get more cyclist friendly. 3. Get Americans Exercising - Two big things keeping many people off bikes and in cars is safety concerns and the fact that you have to exercise. Knowing they're getting the safest, flattest route to their destination, perhaps more people will be likely to ditch the car for the bike. And that means more Americans getting exercise! Cycling is saving Australia millions in health care costs, and could do the same here. If you want to start out slow, take the 2 mile bicycling challenge! 4. Saving More People Money in Tight Times - Cycling from place to place is just plain cheap. No oil changes or expensive repairs, no paying for gas and parking and car insurance and car washes and... As numbers in a recent survey on the increase in alternative transportation has shown, the recession has gone a long way in switching people who could once easily afford a car over into public transportation, walking, and cycling in order to lighten the burden on their wallets. 5. Give People a Higher Quality of Life - Okay, this one is really dependent upon if people actually take up cycling as a serious alternative to cars. But let's think about it: Much of the time, when it comes to navigating a city at least, it's even faster than driving because you can avoid the traffic?.$0??????lZb jams and lack of parking that plagues drivers. A healthier life, with more time, and more money on your hands. Could you ask for much more? Google's mapping feature just makes it that much easier to be a cyclist, and hopefully makes it that much easier for people to make the transition away from cars. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100316/554371e7/attachment-0001.htm From listjunkie at pobox.com Mon Mar 15 22:12:33 2010 From: listjunkie at pobox.com (Christopher Biggs) Date: Mon Mar 15 22:18:44 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: Google Maps Adds A Bike There Feature [if only Navman would do the same] In-Reply-To: <002e01cac49c$c3a25b20$4ae71160$@com> References: <20100315234558.EPRW1978.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <002e01cac49c$c3a25b20$4ae71160$@com> Message-ID: <4B9EF721.5020801@pobox.com> Peter Whittle wrote: > /It?s only enabled for the USA at the moment, as far as I?m aware./ > > / / > > /Here, we?ve got driving and walking options. Seeing as bikes in Qld can > use footpaths, that pretty much covers it./ > The value-add of the google bike directions is that they take terrain into account and present a minimum _energy_ option, as well as minimum time/distance. --chris From cbarham at pobox.com Mon Mar 15 23:09:52 2010 From: cbarham at pobox.com (Chris Barham) Date: Mon Mar 15 23:10:28 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: Google Maps Adds A Bike There Feature [if only Navman would do the same] In-Reply-To: <4B9EF721.5020801@pobox.com> References: <20100315234558.EPRW1978.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <002e01cac49c$c3a25b20$4ae71160$@com> <4B9EF721.5020801@pobox.com> Message-ID: <375e8d881003152109s766e4490mfc504085a419ef5e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 13:12, Christopher Biggs wrote: > > The value-add of the google bike directions is that they take terrain into > account and present a minimum _energy_ option, as well as minimum > time/distance. > > Although a cycling specific routing algorithm sounds great, I think it is worthless unless the map data also records the cycle paths for the algorithm to route over. Sadly, the maps that Google licences in Australia, don't really seem to contain details of bike paths or shortcuts; the commercial map makers Navteq, Whereis and Teleatlas are pretty much confining themselves to roads only. I feel cyclists can get better results using OpenStreetMap.org map data via a service like http://OpenCycleMap.org or http://BrisCycle.com ; in some places the data may be patchy or missing - but you can change it and improve it, unlike maps on Google, Yahoo, Bing or whatever. In fact there is a mapping party coming up, in Logan, for just this purpose of improving the map data: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logan_Mapping_Party_March_2010 Comparison: Stafford, Qld has a major cycleway running alongside Kedron Brook - check out how it appears on the different online maps: OpenCycleMap: http://opencyclemap.org/?zoom=16&lat=-27.41719&lon=153.016&layers=B000 which is actually a more cycling specific rendering of http://osm.org/go/ueGgroq4 vs: WhereIs: http://www.whereis.com/qld/stafford?id=407C58C044FCDC Bing: http://bingmaps.com.au/index.aspx?action=location&location=stafford%2C%20qld Yahoo: http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=-27.415702&lon=153.014185&zoom=17 Google: http://j.mp/dgOHgw which should go to the slightly larger URL http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=stafford,+qld&sll=52.805143,-2.116347&sspn=0.140718,0.251999&g=stafford&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Stafford+Queensland&ll=-27.413414,153.013458&spn=0.015581,0.01929&z=16 Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100316/43e65913/attachment.htm From indocc at ozemail.com.au Tue Mar 16 07:49:36 2010 From: indocc at ozemail.com.au (colin freestone) Date: Tue Mar 16 07:49:53 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Cycle Indonesia In-Reply-To: <375e8d881003152109s766e4490mfc504085a419ef5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: *CYCLE SOUTH SOUTH SULAWESI* I?ve organized another Indonesian adventure July 3 - 12, 2010 6 cycle days 525 km This?ll be the fourth trip that I?ll have led to Sulawesi. We?ll cycle through the cool of the Malino Highlands and along the palm fringed coast of southern Sulawesi. We?ll * buy fresh vegies at morning markets for cooking lunch; * visit mosques, schools, weaving villages and ship building: * enjoy snorkeling and beach relaxing at Cape Bira; * swim in mountain pools; * stay in beach and mountain resorts. * experience Indonesian village life as it ?really is?; * have a support vehicle, a bike mechanic and cultural support throughout. See http://www.egnarodesign.com.au/2009/south_south_july2010/ (+61 2 9983 0205) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100316/de23375e/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Sun Mar 28 21:27:53 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Sun Mar 28 21:27:52 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: "Brisbane bikeways fast becoming danger zones" Message-ID: <20100329022731.OBJV2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Wow ...! Faster than 20km/h on a bike? .. on a bike path? Where do you start with "junk journos" like this .. in short perhaps,don't bother. It is full of so much nonsense ... trouble is, it is serious ... another dose of "bikes (don't) belong" ... wonder who kicked it off? The Lord Mayor perhaps with his announcement of Stage 2 of Coro Drive bikeway aka shared footpath and wanting more support for his $100m spend? MY.................. >Subject: "Brisbane bikeways fast becoming danger zones" >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 01:03:58 +1000 > > >Brisbane bikeways fast becoming danger zones > > > > * James O'Loan > * From: The Courier-Mail > * March 28, 2010 5:59PM > * > 2 > comments >http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/brisbane-bikeways-fast-becoming-danger-zones/story-e6freon6-1225846570732 > >ANGER, speed and near-death experiences are >turning Brisbane's shared bike-pedestrian paths >into danger zones. One woman is lucky to be >alive after she was struck by a cyclist at Toowong earlier this year. > >She was clipped by a speeding cyclist, smashed >her head on the concrete and spent weeks in a coma at Wesley Hospital. > >She does not want to be identified but told The >Courier-Mail: "For my part now, I avoid (shared paths) and exercise elsewhere." > >"I don't believe the bike and pedestrian lanes should be shared." > >An investigation by The Courier-Mail has found >cyclists regularly speed in the shared zones >during morning and evening rush hour. > >A calibrated speed gun clocked half of all >riders using RiverWalk going faster than the signed 20km/h limit. > >One in three were speeding past walkers at >30km/h or more on the Bicentennial Bikeway, at Coronation Drive, Milton. > >Speeds up to 50km/h have previously been reported. > >Regular users claim a cyclist-walker collision >occurs every day across the city and QueensIand >Injury Surveillance Unit director Ruth Barker >believes walkers are at "significant" risk of serious injury. > >The unit estimated 20 people were hospitalised >each year from bike-pedestrian accidents across >Queensland, but most go unreported. > >"Creating shared bike and pedestrian pathways, >or shared bike and road lanes, is like expecting >a Formula One car to share space with a pedal >car; each party is travelling at a different >velocity and with a different purpose," Ms Barker said. > >On the pathways, tensions are simmering as about >5000 cyclists saddle up every day across Brisbane. > >Walker Annie Kearsley-Pratt believes there will >eventually be a fatal accident. > >"It's really dangerous. I've had lots of close >calls," she said this week from North Quay. > >"We're not wearing helmets and they're coming at us at more than 20km/h." > >Some cyclists said they were sick of the dangers >and abuse from motorists, and choose to use the major bikeways instead. > >Both pedestrians and cyclists said aggression, >impatience and ignorance were on the rise. They >also blamed poorly-designed shared paths that >confused both groups with inconsistent markings. > >Bikeway speed limits ? often 10km/h to 20km/h ? >are not enforceable. Even those police who do >patrol the paths cannot halt speeding cyclists >unless their actions constitute dangerous operation of a vehicle. > >Australian Psychological Society president >Professor Bob Mont gomery said more regular >police patrols would eventually slow cyclists down. > >"The deterrent value often doesn't come from the >penalty (for speeding), it's the perception that >you're going to get caught," he said. > >He warned the lawlessness would continue, as >thousands used the paths to commute. > >"It's path rage and it hinges around the same >issue ? people are less patient because of the time pressures of modern living. > >North Brisbane Mountain Bike Club president and >daily commuter Sean Harrison said walkers were >often "completely oblivious to their >environment, just stopping and turning in a >random direction" and often wore headphones > >He called on Brisbane City Council to redesign >the paths and for "a shift in attitude" from >riders and walkers. He singled out the >Bicentennial Bikeway from QUT to Toowong "a >disgrace" that was putting both parties in >danger, particularly in cross-over sections >where both groups had to switch to the other side. > >Mr Harrison also blasted fellow riders for not >slowing down or using their bells when they >approached pedestrians, and others for using the >paths as "personal training tracks". "It gives all of us a bad name." > >Brisbane City Council, responsible for the >design and signage on most paths, said it was >"too early to make a decision" about creating >dedicated bike and pedestrian tracks. > >Lord Mayor Campbell Newman said: "From what the >newspaper is telling us the lack of (signage) >consistency is concerning and it is definitely something we will look at. > >"However, the reality is that many of our >existing pathways in Brisbane are shared, and >both pedestrians and cyclists need to respect each other." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100329/cbef93c9/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Mon Mar 29 01:22:11 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Mon Mar 29 01:22:02 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] info sought re cyclist crash Message-ID: <20100329062148.FFCR3673.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> info sought re cyclist crash ... I have just been advised of a cyclist injured in a crash on Sunday morning at approx 7am in Harts Road Indooroopilly just west of the Marston-Gilgandra intersection with Harts Road. The cyclist was in a group ... he was unconscious on the road ... his fellow cyclists blocked and directed traffic so neighbours who heard the crash and then had a look, realised the matter seemed under control ... some time later, an ambulance arrived. If anybody knows who it was or has any info, would you please contact me ... or if you can forward this email to other email lists, would you please do so with a request to contact me? Michael Yeates .............. From gsfergus at optusnet.com.au Mon Mar 29 01:23:27 2010 From: gsfergus at optusnet.com.au (Glen Fergus) Date: Mon Mar 29 01:23:39 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: "Brisbane bikeways fast becoming danger zones" In-Reply-To: <20100329022731.OBJV2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20100329022731.OBJV2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: "...speeding past walkers at 30km/h ... on the Bicentennial Bikeway" Um, there's no actual speed signs there, so the default limit would be 50km/hr, no? So "speeding" is clearly incorrect. Expect a retraction of this slander in the Curious tomorrow. The solution here is obvious: mandatory helmets for all walkers on shared paths (-;] * G. * my helmet _____ From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Michael Yeates Sent: Monday, 29 March 2010 12:28 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: "Brisbane bikeways fast becoming danger zones" Wow ...! Faster than 20km/h on a bike? .. on a bike path? Where do you start with "junk journos" like this .. in short perhaps,don't bother. It is full of so much nonsense ... trouble is, it is serious ... another dose of "bikes (don't) belong" ... wonder who kicked it off? The Lord Mayor perhaps with his announcement of Stage 2 of Coro Drive bikeway aka shared footpath and wanting more support for his $100m spend? MY.................. Subject: "Brisbane bikeways fast becoming danger zones" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 01:03:58 +1000 Brisbane bikeways fast becoming danger zones * James O'Loan * From: The Courier-Mail * March 28, 2010 5:59PM * 2 comments http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/brisbane-bikeways-fast-becoming-danger-zones/ story-e6freon6-1225846570732 ANGER, speed and near-death experiences are turning Brisbane's shared bike-pedestrian paths into danger zones. One woman is lucky to be alive after she was struck by a cyclist at Toowong earlier this year. She was clipped by a speeding cyclist, smashed her head on the concrete and spent weeks in a coma at Wesley Hospital. She does not want to be identified but told The Courier-Mail: "For my part now, I avoid (shared paths) and exercise elsewhere." "I don't believe the bike and pedestrian lanes should be shared." An investigation by The Courier-Mail has found cyclists regularly speed in the shared zones during morning and evening rush hour. A calibrated speed gun clocked half of all riders using RiverWalk going faster than the signed 20km/h limit. One in three were speeding past walkers at 30km/h or more on the Bicentennial Bikeway, at Coronation Drive, Milton. Speeds up to 50km/h have previously been reported. Regular users claim a cyclist-walker collision occurs every day across the city and QueensIand Injury Surveillance Unit director Ruth Barker believes walkers are at "significant" risk of serious injury. The unit estimated 20 people were hospitalised each year from bike-pedestrian accidents across Queensland, but most go unreported. "Creating shared bike and pedestrian pathways, or shared bike and road lanes, is like expecting a Formula One car to share space with a pedal car; each party is travelling at a different velocity and with a different purpose," Ms Barker said. On the pathways, tensions are simmering as about 5000 cyclists saddle up every day across Brisbane. Walker Annie Kearsley-Pratt believes there will eventually be a fatal accident. "It's really dangerous. I've had lots of close calls," she said this week from North Quay. "We're not wearing helmets and they're coming at us at more than 20km/h." Some cyclists said they were sick of the dangers and abuse from motorists, and choose to use the major bikeways instead. Both pedestrians and cyclists said aggression, impatience and ignorance were on the rise. They also blamed poorly-designed shared paths that confused both groups with inconsistent markings. Bikeway speed limits - often 10km/h to 20km/h - are not enforceable. Even those police who do patrol the paths cannot halt speeding cyclists unless their actions constitute dangerous operation of a vehicle. Australian Psychological Society president Professor Bob Mont gomery said more regular police patrols would eventually slow cyclists down. "The deterrent value often doesn't come from the penalty (for speeding), it's the perception that you're going to get caught," he said. He warned the lawlessness would continue, as thousands used the paths to commute. "It's path rage and it hinges around the same issue - people are less patient because of the time pressures of modern living. North Brisbane Mountain Bike Club president and daily commuter Sean Harrison said walkers were often "completely oblivious to their environment, just stopping and turning in a random direction" and often wore headphones He called on Brisbane City Council to redesign the paths and for "a shift in attitude" from riders and walkers. He singled out the Bicentennial Bikeway from QUT to Toowong "a disgrace" that was putting both parties in danger, particularly in cross-over sections where both groups had to switch to the other side. Mr Harrison also blasted fellow riders for not slowing down or using their bells when they approached pedestrians, and others for using the paths as "personal training tracks". "It gives all of us a bad name." Brisbane City Council, responsible for the design and signage on most paths, said it was "too early to make a decision" about creating dedicated bike and pedestrian tracks. Lord Mayor Campbell Newman said: "From what the newspaper is telling us the lack of (signage) consistency is concerning and it is definitely something we will look at. "However, the reality is that many of our existing pathways in Brisbane are shared, and both pedestrians and cyclists need to respect each other." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100329/f7eff487/attachment-0001.htm From sebastian.tauchmann at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 17:59:54 2010 From: sebastian.tauchmann at gmail.com (Sebastian Tauchmann) Date: Mon Mar 29 18:00:07 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: "Brisbane bikeways fast becoming danger zones" In-Reply-To: References: <20100329022731.OBJV2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: I'm loving the not-exactly-subtle tone that cyclists knock down pedestrians deliberately. Purposefully aiming at them, as it were. Rather than passing without sufficient space to allow for the sudden 1+ metre variations in position that your average walker seems to achieve, which, when Mr iPod-at-Max-Volume decides to do a sudden U-turn to the other side of the path without checking his goddammed surroundings, results in a crash. Deliberate? Bollocks... "Oh I was just walking along when nasty cyclist decided to run me down." Such total bullshit. You've got two groups of people trying to use a path at the same time, when the path is basically only fit for one group at a time - "single file, keep left unless overtaking, look where the eff you're going" applies to everybody, not just cyclists. But, rather than placing blame where it belongs (i.e. idiots), C-M takes to attacking one of its favourite targets Those Evil Cyclists. Well done. Lazy journalism at it's finest. Seb On 29 March 2010 16:23, Glen Fergus wrote: > "...speeding past walkers at 30km/h ... on the Bicentennial Bikeway" ?Um, > there's no actual?speed signs there, so the default limit would be > 50km/hr,?no?? So "speeding" is clearly?incorrect.? Expect a retraction of > this slander?in the Curious tomorrow. > > The solution here?is?obvious: mandatory helmets for all walkers on shared > paths (-;] * > > G. > > *?my helmet From j at jamver.id.au Mon Mar 29 19:03:22 2010 From: j at jamver.id.au (James Lever) Date: Mon Mar 29 19:03:55 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Danish cyclist hit by american tourist in Copenhagen Message-ID: <1C6DFC4D-A1D6-4F4B-8763-9E287D5946BF@jamver.id.au> Here is a story my wife found and translated that I thought people here might be interested to read: ? (Note that I'm not a real translator!) http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2010/03/29/095231.htm (with photo of the actual cyclist) Cyclist expected to pay for damages to car 29th March 2010 09:55 (Copenhagen time) Last year, Helle K?hl was run over in a Copenhagen intersection on her way to work. No-one was in any doubt that the driver was at fault. Witnesses and the police all agreed. As a result, Helle K?hl's insurance paid out for both her clothing and bicycle, with an additional amount for pain and injury. Demand 10 months later That should have been the end of that story, but 10 months later Helle K?hl received a bill for DKK 16,000 (about AUD $3300) for damage to the car. The driver of the car, an American tourist, was insured via credit card. And now the credit card company wanted money from Helle K?hl. She explains that she felt a bit concerned when she received the first letter demanding DKK 16,000. "But I also thought that it should just be a routine matter to write back to them that I shouldn't pay. But they keep sending somewhat ugly letters that I have to, because I am a third party to the matter", says Helle K?hl. Will be hiring a lawyer Helle K?hl says that she will probably have to hire a lawyer to get the matter closed. "It's totally absurd, I don't really know what I'm to do and I seem to be powerless", she continues. American Express, which is demanding the money, has promised to explain the matter sometime today. ? http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2010/03/29/155928.htm (includes demand letters in Danish and English) American Express check in on cyclist affair 29 March 2010 16:41 (Copenhagen time) Be very careful in traffic. It can be an expensive matter to be run over. The Danish cyclist Helle K?hl is facing demands of over DKK 17,000 because she - without herself contributing to the accident - was run over by a car that was damaged by the accident. This was reported by B.T. (a Copenhagen tabloid newspaper). Letters and emails: The American woman who ran over Helle K?hl in April last year, was insured by American Express who in the first instance paid for the damage to the car. And now the cyclist has received several letters and emails from a debt collecting company, who on behalf of American Express are demanding USD $3106.41 compensation. Takes the matter seriously: The American credit card company will now look more closely at the matter, since DR News (State Broadcaster similar to the ABC) have asked whether it's right that an innocent cyclist should have to pay for being hit by a car. "American Express are investigating the matter and will contact the people involved personally. We are not able to comment further at the present time, but confirm that we are taking this matter very seriously", the company writes in an email. Bothering the cyclist: The insurance company's branch organisation in Denmark, ("Insurance and Pension") believes the cyclist shouldn't pay the bill. "That's just bothering the injured party more than necessary", says Christian Sk?dt, a chief consultant with insurance information at "Insurance and Pension". Based on the information he has on the matter, he believes Helle K?hl can relax. "There isn't any doubt she's not at fault, and she won't have to pay compensation." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100330/fac13fb1/attachment.htm From pmgough at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 22:16:48 2010 From: pmgough at gmail.com (Peter Gough) Date: Mon Mar 29 22:16:57 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: "Brisbane bikeways fast becoming danger zones" In-Reply-To: References: <20100329022731.OBJV2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: It seems strange that a few weeks ago the Comical-Mail ran a whole set of articles essentially saying that cyclists have no place on busy roads...and now they're suggesting that cyclists shouldn't be riding on shared paths either. Where exactly do they think people should ride their bikes? I've tried cycling around the house but the kids keep getting in the way :-( Essentially the paper is in the business of selling units and cycling is an easy target because numbers-wise we're a relatively small minority but it's a topic about which everyone seems to have an opinion. Out of interest does anyone know if staff at the paper participate in any of the 'Ride to Work' events? Might be interesting to hear their viewpoint sometime. On 30 March 2010 08:59, Sebastian Tauchmann wrote: > I'm loving the not-exactly-subtle tone that cyclists knock down > pedestrians deliberately. Purposefully aiming at them, as it were. > Rather than passing without sufficient space to allow for the sudden > 1+ metre variations in position that your average walker seems to > achieve, which, when Mr iPod-at-Max-Volume decides to do a sudden > U-turn to the other side of the path without checking his goddammed > surroundings, results in a crash. > > Deliberate? Bollocks... > > "Oh I was just walking along when nasty cyclist decided to run me > down." Such total bullshit. > > You've got two groups of people trying to use a path at the same time, > when the path is basically only fit for one group at a time - "single > file, keep left unless overtaking, look where the eff you're going" > applies to everybody, not just cyclists. > > But, rather than placing blame where it belongs (i.e. idiots), C-M > takes to attacking one of its favourite targets Those Evil Cyclists. > Well done. Lazy journalism at it's finest. > > Seb > > > On 29 March 2010 16:23, Glen Fergus wrote: > > "...speeding past walkers at 30km/h ... on the Bicentennial Bikeway" Um, > > there's no actual speed signs there, so the default limit would be > > 50km/hr, no? So "speeding" is clearly incorrect. Expect a retraction of > > this slander in the Curious tomorrow. > > > > The solution here is obvious: mandatory helmets for all walkers on shared > > paths (-;] * > > > > G. > > > > * my helmet > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100330/ff7bb1df/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Mon Mar 29 23:22:53 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Mon Mar 29 23:22:44 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: "Brisbane bikeways fast becoming danger zones" In-Reply-To: References: <20100329022731.OBJV2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <20100330042228.QVPL1945.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Today I got to have a look at the C-M article in the paper (monday) and of interest are two photos showing a pedestrian nearly being run over by ... you guessed ...! If anybody has a copy please scan me copies of the photos. But what is interesting given we tend to read from left to right is the left photo has this women looking towards the camera and oncoming cyclist heading towards her, and in the right hand photo, she has basically turned her back on the cyclist and camera ... and although the full width of the path isn't visible, she does seem to have "occupied" the space where the cyclist would be expected to travel ... ie "taken the lane" ... so the good old keep left rules also apply ... although she might have a different view ..! But reverse the photos, and it appears the cyclist is approaching a woman walking on the path who then turns around, perhaps because she hears the cyclists bell or warning. Could the photos be a setup? Whatever, it is obvious sharing paths is the logical and inevitable ie unavoidable outcome ... and with more people, just widen the path where possible, or better still, build it wider first time to stop the waste of funds and huge inconvenience involved in modification .. as on the Coro Drive "bikeway". It is going to be really interesting if large numbers of people try to walk, jog and cycle along the Gateway path north of the bridges ... its a separated facility but narrow with insufficient space for more than one pedestrian ... or it was last time I saw the proposals. But with BQ and others promoting segregation/separation, this nonsense will continue ... MY.............................. At 01:16 PM 30/03/2010, Peter Gough wrote: >It seems strange that a few weeks ago the Comical-Mail ran a whole >set of articles essentially saying that cyclists have no place on >busy roads...and now they're suggesting that cyclists shouldn't be >riding on shared paths either. > >Where exactly do they think people should ride their bikes? I've >tried cycling around the house but the kids keep getting in the way :-( > >Essentially the paper is in the business of selling units and >cycling is an easy target because numbers-wise we're a relatively >small minority but it's a topic about which everyone seems to have an opinion. > >Out of interest does anyone know if staff at the paper participate >in any of the 'Ride to Work' events? Might be interesting to hear >their viewpoint sometime. > >On 30 March 2010 08:59, Sebastian Tauchmann ><sebastian.tauchmann@gmail.com> wrote: >I'm loving the not-exactly-subtle tone that cyclists knock down >pedestrians deliberately. Purposefully aiming at them, as it were. >Rather than passing without sufficient space to allow for the sudden >1+ metre variations in position that your average walker seems to >achieve, which, when Mr iPod-at-Max-Volume decides to do a sudden >U-turn to the other side of the path without checking his goddammed >surroundings, results in a crash. > >Deliberate? Bollocks... > >"Oh I was just walking along when nasty cyclist decided to run me >down." Such total bullshit. > >You've got two groups of people trying to use a path at the same time, >when the path is basically only fit for one group at a time - "single >file, keep left unless overtaking, look where the eff you're going" >applies to everybody, not just cyclists. > >But, rather than placing blame where it belongs (i.e. idiots), C-M >takes to attacking one of its favourite targets Those Evil Cyclists. >Well done. Lazy journalism at it's finest. > >Seb > > >On 29 March 2010 16:23, Glen Fergus ><gsfergus@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > "...speeding past walkers at 30km/h ... on the Bicentennial Bikeway" Um, > > there's no actual speed signs there, so the default limit would be > > 50km/hr, no? So "speeding" is clearly incorrect. Expect a retraction of > > this slander in the Curious tomorrow. > > > > The solution here is obvious: mandatory helmets for all walkers on shared > > paths (-;] * > > > > G. > > > > * my helmet > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2778 - Release Date: >03/30/10 04:32:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100330/ac5c147b/attachment-0001.htm From cameraperson at bigpond.com Tue Mar 30 02:25:52 2010 From: cameraperson at bigpond.com (Michael Fanning) Date: Tue Mar 30 02:26:07 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: "Brisbane bikeways fast becoming danger zones" In-Reply-To: References: <20100329022731.OBJV2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <5626CDF2-917A-4D8E-BAC7-0FB99FE08043@bigpond.com> It's obvious, Peter. The kids will have to go. I have a mate who works at the Curious. He always cycles and he reckons lots of the staff do. Reasonable end of trip facilities. As you said. At the end of the day, they have a newspaper to sell. A kerfuffle about conflict will always attract more attention than a dreary piece about harmony. On 30/03/2010, at 1:16 PM, Peter Gough wrote: > It seems strange that a few weeks ago the Comical-Mail ran a whole set of articles essentially saying that cyclists have no place on busy roads...and now they're suggesting that cyclists shouldn't be riding on shared paths either. > > Where exactly do they think people should ride their bikes? I've tried cycling around the house but the kids keep getting in the way :-( > > Essentially the paper is in the business of selling units and cycling is an easy target because numbers-wise we're a relatively small minority but it's a topic about which everyone seems to have an opinion. > > Out of interest does anyone know if staff at the paper participate in any of the 'Ride to Work' events? Might be interesting to hear their viewpoint sometime. > > On 30 March 2010 08:59, Sebastian Tauchmann wrote: > I'm loving the not-exactly-subtle tone that cyclists knock down > pedestrians deliberately. Purposefully aiming at them, as it were. > Rather than passing without sufficient space to allow for the sudden > 1+ metre variations in position that your average walker seems to > achieve, which, when Mr iPod-at-Max-Volume decides to do a sudden > U-turn to the other side of the path without checking his goddammed > surroundings, results in a crash. > > Deliberate? Bollocks... > > "Oh I was just walking along when nasty cyclist decided to run me > down." Such total bullshit. > > You've got two groups of people trying to use a path at the same time, > when the path is basically only fit for one group at a time - "single > file, keep left unless overtaking, look where the eff you're going" > applies to everybody, not just cyclists. > > But, rather than placing blame where it belongs (i.e. idiots), C-M > takes to attacking one of its favourite targets Those Evil Cyclists. > Well done. Lazy journalism at it's finest. > > Seb > > > On 29 March 2010 16:23, Glen Fergus wrote: > > "...speeding past walkers at 30km/h ... on the Bicentennial Bikeway" Um, > > there's no actual speed signs there, so the default limit would be > > 50km/hr, no? So "speeding" is clearly incorrect. Expect a retraction of > > this slander in the Curious tomorrow. > > > > The solution here is obvious: mandatory helmets for all walkers on shared > > paths (-;] * > > > > G. > > > > * my helmet > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100330/7245635d/attachment.htm From matt at people.net.au Tue Mar 30 16:16:50 2010 From: matt at people.net.au (Matt) Date: Tue Mar 30 16:16:15 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: Message-ID: <56840.1269983810@people.net.au> This is pretty much on par with my dealings with the media.... Never letting the facts get in the way of a (good?) story. On Tue 30/03/10 07:25 , "Michael Fanning" cameraperson@bigpond.com sent: It's obvious, Peter. The kids will have to go. I have a mate who works at the Curious. He always cycles and he reckons lots of the staff do. Reasonable end of trip facilities. As you said. At the end of the day, they have a newspaper to sell. A kerfuffle about conflict will always attract more attention than a dreary piece about harmony. On 30/03/2010, at 1:16 PM, Peter Gough wrote: It seems strange that a few weeks ago the Comical-Mail ran a whole set of articles essentially saying that cyclists have no place on busy roads...and now they're suggesting that cyclists shouldn't be riding on shared paths either. Where exactly do they think people should ride their bikes? I've tried cycling around the house but the kids keep getting in the way :-( Essentially the paper is in the business of selling units and cycling is an easy target because numbers-wise we're a relatively small minority but it's a topic about which everyone seems to have an opinion. Out of interest does anyone know if staff at the paper participate in any of the 'Ride to Work' events? Might be interesting to hear their viewpoint sometime. On 30 March 2010 08:59, Sebastian Tauchmann wrote: I'm loving the not-exactly-subtle tone that cyclists knock down pedestrians deliberately. Purposefully aiming at them, as it were. Rather than passing without sufficient space to allow for the sudden 1+ metre variations in position that your average walker seems to achieve, which, when Mr iPod-at-Max-Volume decides to do a sudden U-turn to the other side of the path without checking his goddammed surroundings, results in a crash. Deliberate? Bollocks... "Oh I was just walking along when nasty cyclist decided to run me down." Such total bullshit. You've got two groups of people trying to use a path at the same time, when the path is basically only fit for one group at a time - "single file, keep left unless overtaking, look where the eff you're going" applies to everybody, not just cyclists. But, rather than placing blame where it belongs (i.e. idiots), C-M takes to attacking one of its favourite targets Those Evil Cyclists. Well done. Lazy journalism at it's finest. Seb On 29 March 2010 16:23, Glen Fergus wrote: > "...speeding past walkers at 30km/h ... on the Bicentennial Bikeway" ?Um, > there's no actual?speed signs there, so the default limit would be > 50km/hr,?no?? So "speeding" is clearly?incorrect.? Expect a retraction of > this slander?in the Curious tomorrow. > > The solution here?is?obvious: mandatory helmets for all walkers on shared > paths (-;] * > > G. > > *?my helmet _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ [1] http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld [2] This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ [3]">http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld [4]">http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. Links: ------ [1] http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ [2] http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld [3] http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ [4] http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100330/1c00bca4/attachment.htm From matt at people.net.au Tue Mar 30 21:06:25 2010 From: matt at people.net.au (Matt) Date: Tue Mar 30 21:05:39 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] E-petition - 1 metre passing rule for cyclists Message-ID: <61016.1270001185@people.net.au> FYI - apparently started by the Toowoomba BUG TO: The Honourable the Speaker and Members of the Legislative Assembly of Queensland The petition of citizens of Queensland draws to the attention of the House deficiencies in the current overtaking laws in that motorists may come dangerously close to a cyclist while overtaking and at considerable speed, posing an undeniable risk and yet breach no law. Your petitioners therefore request the House to enact legislation to modify existing regulations requiring that a motorist maintain a minimum safe distance of one metre between their vehicle and a cyclist whilst overtaking. Such a measure will strengthen current laws with respect to cyclists. This proposal, by providing clear boundaries, will better serve the interests of motorists and cyclists alike. Furthermore, this proposal would also reflect the fact that it is not necessary for a motorist to collide with a cyclist in order to endanger either life or health; an anomaly that must be addressed if the government is to reduce congestion and promote cycling as a viable alternative means of transportation. I acknowledge the importance sustainable green initiatives, and due to ever increasing environmental awareness, more Queenslanders are now seeing cycling as a positive way of reducing their carbon footprint and minimizing congestion. We question how long such enthusiasm will last while the current ambiguous legislation remains unchanged. A minimum distance of one metre has the potential to maintain this momentum, as well as contributing towards the Governments Q2 initiatives, helping more Queenslanders to "get their 30 each day". ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: The ?Coordinator [1] To: toowoombabug@gmail.com [2] Cc: wombling@hotmail.com [3] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:49 PM Subject: help change the road rules Dear Riders TBUG has been sent a request to broadcast an ?attempt to change the road rules to favour cyclists. Please consider ?signing this on-line Queensland Parliament petition below. Only people ?resident in Queensland are allowed to sign it. The process is very ?simple. There are, of course, problems with having a law like this, but ?the intention is to start changing the environment in which we all operate, ?vehicles and bikes. To that end, this represents a 'step ?forward'. We can but try to help ourselves, by supporting the fellow, Mr. ?Dave Sharp, who took the initiative to organise this attempt to improve road ?safety. ? You can access and ?sign the ?e-petition? here: http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/view/EPetitions_QLD/CurrentEPetition.aspx?PetNum=1407 font-size: 10pt;">Thank ?you, TBUG Links: ------ [1] mailto:toowoombabug@gmail.com [2] mailto:toowoombabug@gmail.com [3] mailto:wombling@hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100331/0587c7be/attachment.htm From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Tue Mar 30 23:57:42 2010 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Tue Mar 30 23:57:52 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Environmental Health | Full text | The impact of transportation infrastructure on bicycling injuries and crashes: a review of the literature Message-ID: http://www.ehjournal.net/content/8/1/47 Conclusion Although the effect of infrastructure design on cyclist safety was first studied more than three decades ago, the literature on the topic remains remarkably sparse. This review highlights opportunities for more detailed and controlled studies of infrastructure and cycling injuries. The evidence to date suggests that purpose-built bicycle-only facilities (e.g. bike routes, bike lanes, bike paths, cycle tracks at roundabouts) reduce the risk of crashes and injuries compared to cycling on-road with traffic or off-road with pedestrians. Street lighting, paved surfaces, and low-angled grades are additional factors that appear to improve cyclist safety. The major advantage of infrastructure modifications, compared to helmet use, is that they provide population-wide prevention of injury events without requiring action by the users or repeated reinforcement. Given the influence of safety on individuals' decisions to cycle, the importance of cycling modal share to safety, and the ancillary benefits of this active and sustainable mode of transportation, infrastructure enhancements have the opportunity to promote an array of improvements to public health. R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100331/d205cbc4/attachment-0001.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Wed Mar 31 16:37:29 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Wed Mar 31 16:37:45 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: [LotsLessCars] Cycling too dangerous for British postmen Message-ID: <20100331213731.JGKU1945.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> " They do not know, because they have not seen " The general philosophy seems to apply here too ... especially to our leaders ...! MY....................... From: "ecomobilitian" >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:14:39 -0000 >Subject: [LotsLessCars] Cycling too dangerous for British postmen > >Postmen in the UK are set to lose their bicycles >? the few that have them that is. > >In a letter to the UK Labour party peer Lord >Berkeley ? which was read out in a House of >Lords debate on 29 March ? the Royal Mail chief >executive said that bicycles "posed a wider >safety risk associated with British street >networks where the rider is exposed to greater risks than other vehicle users." > >Lord Colwyn responded by saying that the last >two times he has been knocked off his bicycle was by Royal Mail vans. > >Weight is also an issue for mail delivery >bicycles. Lord Hunt of King's Heath, the >minister for energy and climate change, said at >the same debate in the House of Lords: "The >maximum weight in the cycle panniers comes to >32kg, which is often not sufficient for the >parcels and packages it is an increasing part of >the postman's lot to deliver." One solution the >Royal Mail is adopting is to provide postmen >with trolleys ? those trolleys for hilly areas will have electrical assistance. > >What is beyond the comprehension of these Royal >Mail decision makers and politicians is the >possibility to attach a trailer to a postal >bicycle, thus increasing the bulk and weight of >the post their postmen can take and the >visibility of the postmen. They do not know, because they have not seen > > >Ian Perry > > >http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2010-03-29a.1186.6 >http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/31/postal-service-cycling-environment > >------------------------------------ > >"LotsLessCars in Cities" at http://lotslesscars.org >Organize a Car/Free Day: The nose of the camel. >World Car/Free Days at http://worldcarfreeday.com >To leave list: LotsLessCars-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >To post messages: LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com >Also check out New Mobility Agenda at http://newmobility.org >Need some help? Send an email to Help@newmobility.org >Or call via Skype to "newmobility'Yahoo! Groups Links From michael at yeatesit.biz Wed Mar 31 18:30:01 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Wed Mar 31 18:30:16 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: MUARC Cyclist driver survey Message-ID: <20100331233001.UHB1978.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Another research project ... some questions seem a bit too general and there is an option to not answer those and/or in most, to comment ... also eventually there is state and postcode differentiation given our road rules are different from state to state ...! Certainly worth doing in my opinion ... more and better research is clearly needed ... MY.................. >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:39:02 +1100 >Subject: [Cmass-Sydney] Cyclist driver survey > >Monash University Accident Research Centre is running an >online survey looking at driver's and cyclist's knowledge >and attitudes to cycling and cyclists. > >If you've got a few minutes please consider contributing to >this important data collection exercise, linked from: >http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/ >