[bikeqld] Moggill Rd crossing at Indooroopilly

[Michael Yeates]

Pete ...

It is "worse" (?) than 80%  ... its actually 85% ...!

So presumably if 99% don't obey, then the facility should be changed ... !

But NOT the rule because there are many other seemingly "similar" 
circumstances where (as with traffic speed) the rule may be right or 
wrong depending on context.

Here at Indro, it is clear that peds need a high visibility and high 
priority pedestrian crossing ie zebras, if only to encourage the 
school kids and the occasional pedestrians.

MY...............

At 10:50 AM 19/01/2010, Peter Whittle wrote:

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>Haha, good point. We read recently that road speed limits are set by 
>the speed 80% of motorists do J
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>From: bikeqld-bounces at bikeqld.org.au 
>[mailto:bikeqld-bounces at bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Ken
>Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 2010 7:14 AM
>To: kim
>Cc: BikeQld
>Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Moggill Rd crossing at Indooroopilly
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>Throwing this into the ring...
>
>if 99% of cyclists ride across it now anyway, then what's the 
>problem? The 1% of cyclists who walk and the 1% of them who might 
>slip over in their cleats?
>
>Are you suggesting main roads need to invest more money and - as you 
>say, "knock out some concrete edging" to cater for the clumsy few?
>
>As for signs warning about cyclists.... how far up Moggill Road are 
>the signs warning about pedestrians? Do cyclists really need special 
>warning signs?
>
>
>My view: the problem here is not the lack of a clear cyclist path, 
>the problem is the law(s) which makes the path a requirement. Change 
>the law .... and the path, the lights, the knocked off edging would 
>all be moot.
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>On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:00 PM, kim 
><<mailto:pharmer_kim at hotmail.com>pharmer_kim at hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ok finally got hold of someone in MR who knew a little about the 
>changes at that crossing, but not a whole lot. The person involved 
>was still on leave till the 27th. The person I spoke to had said 
>that the request for a bicycle crossing had come from a 'bicycle 
>group'. I presumed this to mean Bicycle Queensland. I asked if the 
>job was finished and he said it was finished for now. I pointed out 
>the futility of just adding the ride across at the lights and not 
>the slip lanes. He claimed that it did allow the cyclists to 'ride a 
>bit further', he did not see the ridiculousness of the 
>dismount-mount-dismount-mount needed to ride this little extra. I 
>asked if that is what was requested by the 'bicycle group' and he 
>was a little hesitant to give details but did allude to a plan they 
>had to put a bike crossing point a bit further up the slip lane. He 
>claims that this was not done due to lack of funding and the fact 
>that this whole intersection would be up for a change when the 
>Toowong tunnel is started/finished. I could not pin him down on why 
>the bike crossing of the slip lane would cost so much to make it not 
>possible now. I gather they looked at widening the gap in the median 
>strip which means knocking out some concrete edging - big deal. I 
>pointed out that right now 99% of cyclists ride across now as it is 
>safer and more expedient for the flow of traffic if they do not 
>become pedestrians and have to step slowly and unsurely across in 
>their cleats. I pointed out that aside from the narrow gap in the 
>median, that the cyclists can ride clear of the marked crossing 
>anyway. I pointed out that their were no signs on Moggill Rd warning 
>cars of the cyclists crossing and MR were burying their heads in the 
>sand to pretend all cyclists are dismounting and becoming pedestrians.
>I am wondering if BQ is happy with the outcome or whether they are 
>still on the case or perhaps it was not even them that were involved.
>
>
>k
>
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