From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Mon Feb 1 17:43:26 2010 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Mon Feb 1 17:43:37 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Bike Sharing Plan For Brisbane: First Parking Stations To Be Built Message-ID: Surprised there is no station planned for the RBWH? http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/bike-hire-scheme-hits-first-g ear-20100201-n8qn.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100202/903a0aeb/attachment.htm From xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au Fri Feb 5 23:31:15 2010 From: xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au (mich rolling) Date: Fri Feb 5 23:31:38 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Courier Mail "Road rule rebels under fire" Message-ID: <481607.16443.qm@web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/comments/0,23836,26683616-952,00.html I detect a shifting of emphasis here. The RACQ commnets about separating cyclists for their own safety and for road efficiency are less strident than in the past. Even the comments from JoBlogs afterwards have been selected to be more even handed between the cyclists explaining their position on the road and the car drivers who want us off the road. Acceptance is coming. __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 From cameraperson at bigpond.com Sat Feb 6 02:30:20 2010 From: cameraperson at bigpond.com (Michael Fanning) Date: Sat Feb 6 02:32:35 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Courier Mail "Road rule rebels under fire" In-Reply-To: <481607.16443.qm@web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <481607.16443.qm@web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Acceptance or apartheid? I wonder. On 06/02/2010, at 3:31 PM, mich rolling wrote: > http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/comments/0,23836,26683616-952,00.html > > I detect a shifting of emphasis here. > The RACQ commnets about separating cyclists for their own safety and for > road efficiency are less strident than in the past. Even the comments from > JoBlogs afterwards have been selected to be more even handed between the > cyclists explaining their position on the road and the car drivers who > want us off the road. > Acceptance is coming. > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From b.wagner at ozemail.com.au Sat Feb 6 03:38:14 2010 From: b.wagner at ozemail.com.au (Bob Wagner) Date: Sat Feb 6 03:39:07 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Courier Mail "Road rule rebels under fire" In-Reply-To: <481607.16443.qm@web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <481607.16443.qm@web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have already commented on the courier mail site. But I just noticed, the riders haven't gone through the light yet. They may be just stopping, or good track standers. This isn't a red light photo, the camera is in the photo. If the bikes don't trip the lights to change to green then how the hell do the cameras pick up a red light runner. Bob Wagner b.wagner@ozemail.com.au On 06/02/2010, at 3:31 PM, mich rolling wrote: > http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/comments/0,23836,26683616-952,00.html > > I detect a shifting of emphasis here. > The RACQ commnets about separating cyclists for their own safety and > for > road efficiency are less strident than in the past. Even the > comments from > JoBlogs afterwards have been selected to be more even handed between > the > cyclists explaining their position on the road and the car drivers who > want us off the road. > Acceptance is coming. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, > legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From b.wagner at ozemail.com.au Sat Feb 6 20:04:52 2010 From: b.wagner at ozemail.com.au (Bob Wagner) Date: Sat Feb 6 20:05:11 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Bored on a wet day Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCdIe0wdvU http://www.break.com/index/bicycle-race-prank.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE56byUaRCU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXIq4VSYmsQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_8dGodhGtI&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rwwxrWHBB8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8176C-2JdQ8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUgXtZFdUcs&feature=related Bob Wagner b.wagner@ozemail.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100207/60059340/attachment.htm From fractalbug at yahoo.com.au Sat Feb 6 23:47:31 2010 From: fractalbug at yahoo.com.au (Robert Moore) Date: Sat Feb 6 23:47:51 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Chicanes In-Reply-To: <513560091-1463747838-1264728303@boing.topica.com> References: <513560091-1463747838-1264728303@boing.topica.com> Message-ID: <598288.89594.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Came across this guide from nottinghamshire for half road chicane style slowing device. You get a bike bypass on one side but not on the other (photos 12.1 and 12.4), or at least not in my case since road isnt wide enough. Maybe narrowing the road for a few metres to one lane in the middle of the carriageway (chicane with zero angle) would work, with cycle bypass lanes on both sides. At least motorists would have to slow down a bit, and cyclists wouldn't have to change direction. Bob ________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100206/79d6d60e/attachment.htm From pmgough at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 00:13:22 2010 From: pmgough at gmail.com (Peter Gough) Date: Sun Feb 7 00:13:33 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Chicanes In-Reply-To: <598288.89594.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <513560091-1463747838-1264728303@boing.topica.com> <598288.89594.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Correct URL for website: http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/cdg-chapter12.pdf On 7 February 2010 15:47, Robert Moore wrote: > Came across this guide from nottinghamshirefor half road chicane style slowing device. You get a bike bypass on one > side but not on the other (photos 12.1 and 12.4), or at least not in my case > since road isnt wide enough. > > Maybe narrowing the road for a few metres to one lane in the middle of the > carriageway (chicane with zero angle) would work, with cycle bypass lanes on > both sides. At least motorists would have to slow down a bit, and cyclists > wouldn't have to change direction. > > Bob > > ------------------------------ > ** > > > > ------------------------------ > Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and > for free at PLUS7. Check it out > . > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100207/88f1d6d4/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Sun Feb 7 01:06:32 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Sun Feb 7 01:06:50 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Chicanes In-Reply-To: References: <513560091-1463747838-1264728303@boing.topica.com> <598288.89594.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100207070621.YGLJ5111.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Bob , Peter and all .... If there is parking both sides or even on one side, then there needs to be a "protected" area for cyclists on both the entry and exit paths to the chicane or narrowing, not just at the device. Not knowing what is needed for cyclists plus taking photos or drawings out of manuals or guides (or out of context) is one of the reasons that so many facilities provided don't work for cyclists yet with minor tweaking could so easily do so .. So in both photos, not that at least 1 perhaps 2 parked cars would have to be banned either side of the device if parking is to remain .. So why not just put the "yellow BIKEs" in the correct location ie about 1m clear of the parked cars and cyclists (when present) can better "claim the lane" ... with almost no cost and no loss of parking space? If in doubt and I am sure there are plenty, then why not have a look at how the USA is using its similar "Share the Road" device ... now nationally approved whereas here, the same/similar concept is still apparently not supported even by cyclists and advocates for cycling? Of course there is also the 40 speed limit option Bob ... but RTA and others have set the parameters so it can't be used as you wish ...! MY................... .At 04:13 PM 7/02/2010, Peter Gough wrote: >Correct URL for website: >http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/cdg-chapter12.pdf > >On 7 February 2010 15:47, Robert Moore ><fractalbug@yahoo.com.au> wrote: >Came across this >guide from nottinghamshire for half road chicane style slowing >device. You get a bike bypass on one side but not on the other >(photos 12.1 and 12.4), or at least not in my case since road isnt >wide enough. > >Maybe narrowing the road for a few metres to one lane in the middle >of the carriageway (chicane with zero angle) would work, with cycle >bypass lanes on both sides. At least motorists would have to slow >down a bit, and cyclists wouldn't have to change direction. > >Bob > > > > > > > >Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, >legally, and for free at PLUS7. >Check >it out. > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2672 - Release Date: >02/07/10 05:35:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100207/e50df89a/attachment.htm From peterw60 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 03:42:37 2010 From: peterw60 at gmail.com (Peter Whittle) Date: Sun Feb 7 03:43:14 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Chicanes In-Reply-To: <20100207070621.YGLJ5111.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <513560091-1463747838-1264728303@boing.topica.com> <598288.89594.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100207070621.YGLJ5111.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <004c01caa7d9$e7340b90$b59c22b0$@com> That probably means the chicanes in the Tennyson Tennis Centre are pretty useless. Actually, I knew they were already ;) Bikes have to go out into the traffic stream to get through, and most drivers have figured out they don't have to slow at all for them (the chicanes, not the bikes). How did these get built, one wonders. P From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Michael Yeates Sent: Sunday, 7 February 2010 5:07 PM To: pmgough@gmail.com Cc: bfa-oz@topica.com; bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Chicanes Bob , Peter and all .... If there is parking both sides or even on one side, then there needs to be a "protected" area for cyclists on both the entry and exit paths to the chicane or narrowing, not just at the device. Not knowing what is needed for cyclists plus taking photos or drawings out of manuals or guides (or out of context) is one of the reasons that so many facilities provided don't work for cyclists yet with minor tweaking could so easily do so .. So in both photos, not that at least 1 perhaps 2 parked cars would have to be banned either side of the device if parking is to remain .. So why not just put the "yellow BIKEs" in the correct location ie about 1m clear of the parked cars and cyclists (when present) can better "claim the lane" ... with almost no cost and no loss of parking space? If in doubt and I am sure there are plenty, then why not have a look at how the USA is using its similar "Share the Road" device ... now nationally approved whereas here, the same/similar concept is still apparently not supported even by cyclists and advocates for cycling? Of course there is also the 40 speed limit option Bob ... but RTA and others have set the parameters so it can't be used as you wish ...! MY................... .At 04:13 PM 7/02/2010, Peter Gough wrote: Correct URL for website: http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/cdg-chapter12.pdf On 7 February 2010 15:47, Robert Moore wrote: Came across this guide from nottinghamshire for half road chicane style slowing device. You get a bike bypass on one side but not on the other (photos 12.1 and 12.4), or at least not in my case since road isnt wide enough. Maybe narrowing the road for a few metres to one lane in the middle of the carriageway (chicane with zero angle) would work, with cycle bypass lanes on both sides. At least motorists would have to slow down a bit, and cyclists wouldn't have to change direction. Bob Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. Check it out. _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2672 - Release Date: 02/07/10 05:35:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100208/e12aaf97/attachment.htm From busrail at fastmail.fm Mon Feb 8 05:05:12 2010 From: busrail at fastmail.fm (Norm Morwood) Date: Mon Feb 8 05:05:52 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: Courier Mail nonsense In-Reply-To: <20100208005941.DAGV19767.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <8DED21B1318E4A5881F08BF220215F80@norm> Or now 71% no. So I don't suppose they'll publish the result. Regards, Norm. Woombye 0409 63 99 44 Disclaimer: "it's good in terms of what we can sustain as a nation." K Rudd One of two points made to Kerry O'Brien explaining how a 60% increase by 2050 in Australia's population is sustainable. Let me just say Kevin, "it's not", whatever that means. NFM -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Michael Yeates Sent: Monday, 8 February 2010 11:00 AM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: Courier Mail nonsense FYI ... Do you think cars, motorbikes, buses and/or trucks are a hazard on the road? MY................. Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:28:08 +1000 Subject: Courier Mail nonsense Fellow Bikers The Courier Mail is 'being divisive' and has a poll: Do you think cyclists are a hazard on the road? Here: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/poll/1,,953-5043232-0,00.html You might find the time to offer your vote today. Currently running at 52% 'no'. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100208/cb167406/attachment.htm From b.wagner at ozemail.com.au Sat Feb 6 18:30:20 2010 From: b.wagner at ozemail.com.au (Bob Wagner) Date: Mon Feb 8 17:29:42 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Bikes on a wet day - I am bored Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCdIe0wdvU http://www.break.com/index/bicycle-race-prank.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE56byUaRCU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXIq4VSYmsQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_8dGodhGtI&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rwwxrWHBB8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8176C-2JdQ8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUgXtZFdUcs&feature=related Bob Wagner b.wagner@ozemail.com.au b.wagner@staidan.qld.edu.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100207/bd73cab1/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Mon Feb 8 17:36:21 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Mon Feb 8 17:36:30 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] NZ cyclists road code Message-ID: <20100208233618.VUBT5111.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Found this ... http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/index.html Not read ...! May be of interest ... or a useful resource? Wonder why Australia doesn't have this sort of thing ... perhaps it does? Maybe we don't want one? MY ..................... From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Mon Feb 8 17:43:34 2010 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Mon Feb 8 17:43:42 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Courier Mail "Road rule rebels under fire" In-Reply-To: <481607.16443.qm@web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <481607.16443.qm@web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: More in C-M today: Cyclists a law unto themselves http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26692804-952,00.html R -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of mich rolling Sent: Saturday, 6 February 2010 3:31 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Courier Mail "Road rule rebels under fire" http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/comments/0,23836,26683616-952,00.html I detect a shifting of emphasis here. The RACQ commnets about separating cyclists for their own safety and for road efficiency are less strident than in the past. Even the comments from JoBlogs afterwards have been selected to be more even handed between the cyclists explaining their position on the road and the car drivers who want us off the road. Acceptance is coming. __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From sebastian.tauchmann at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 18:05:23 2010 From: sebastian.tauchmann at gmail.com (Sebastian Tauchmann) Date: Mon Feb 8 18:05:31 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Courier Mail "Road rule rebels under fire" In-Reply-To: References: <481607.16443.qm@web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 9 February 2010 09:43, Richard Hockey wrote: > More in C-M today: > Cyclists a law unto themselves > http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26692804-952,00.html So, what's behind the sudden register-them-or-get-them-off-the-road push? Someone annoyed at the CityCycle idea? Or is it just another re-run of Bash-the-Cyclists round of the news cycle? Seb From pmgough at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 20:30:34 2010 From: pmgough at gmail.com (Peter Gough) Date: Mon Feb 8 20:30:50 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Courier Mail "Road rule rebels under fire" In-Reply-To: References: <481607.16443.qm@web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just another rehashing of the same old arguments. Love the idea that motorists somehow pay for bicycle infrastructure via their rego when revenue from vehicle registration doesn't even pay for the roads they're using. As a taxpayer/ratepayer why should I be forced to pay for tunnels and bridges which are exclusively for motorised traffic? Also strange that the journo mentions the AAMI survey but neglects to mention the survey the C-M ran yesterday which asked pretty much the same question. Last time I looked that was running at over 70% of respondants thinking cyclists weren't a menace...but I guess that sort of response didn't fit the story. It's typical ill-informed nonsense. AFAIK cyclists are within their rights to take up a lane on a multi-lane road, to move to the front of a lane of stopped traffic and to use bus lanes. To my mind separate bikeways are potentially useful but a growth in numbers of cyclists would be a far more important step in terms of sustainable transport and reducing road casualties. I think things are heading in the right direction given the ongoing increase in bicycle sales, despite the massive government subsidies for the car industry in this country but divisive and scare-mongering journalists really don't help the situation. On 9 February 2010 10:05, Sebastian Tauchmann wrote: > On 9 February 2010 09:43, Richard Hockey wrote: > > More in C-M today: > > Cyclists a law unto themselves > > http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26692804-952,00.html > > So, what's behind the sudden register-them-or-get-them-off-the-road push? > > Someone annoyed at the CityCycle idea? > > Or is it just another re-run of Bash-the-Cyclists round of the news cycle? > > Seb > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100209/ab96b41a/attachment.htm From gsfergus at optusnet.com.au Mon Feb 8 20:36:04 2010 From: gsfergus at optusnet.com.au (Glen Fergus) Date: Mon Feb 8 20:36:12 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Courier Mail "Road rule rebels under fire" In-Reply-To: References: <481607.16443.qm@web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2D215A5B01FA410989CC1ABBB1445F65@golder.gds> The latter Seb. They have to fill the pages somehow, and Citizen M. can no longer afford actual journalism. I wouldn't worry too much. Hardly anyone reads the Curious anymore. It's the slow death of irrelevancy; largely self-inflicted. G. > -----Original Message----- > From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au > [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of > Sebastian Tauchmann > Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2010 10:05 AM > To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Courier Mail "Road rule rebels under fire" > > On 9 February 2010 09:43, Richard Hockey > wrote: > > More in C-M today: > > Cyclists a law unto themselves > > > http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26692804-952,00.html > > So, what's behind the sudden > register-them-or-get-them-off-the-road push? > > Someone annoyed at the CityCycle idea? > > Or is it just another re-run of Bash-the-Cyclists round of > the news cycle? > > Seb > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From jim_lewis at lycos.com Mon Feb 8 21:34:58 2010 From: jim_lewis at lycos.com (Jim Lewis) Date: Mon Feb 8 21:35:23 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Courier Mail "Road rule rebels under fire" In-Reply-To: References: <481607.16443.qm@web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1265686498.4b70d7e2f06af@postoffice.tpg.com.au> If we are take the writer's info page at face value, what he writes in his Tuesday column is just his version of 'irony'. Pity it feeds hate of cyclists and justification for treating cyclists as "two-wheeled equivalents of suicide bombers". Paul Syvret Assistant editor and columnist ... My current role as news editor gives me oversight of the daily and longer-term news agenda of the paper. To counter the headaches that brings with it (but then who?d want a real job?) I write a column for the Perspectives pages every Tuesday. The approach I adopt there is often to take a sacred cow and then attack it with a blunt axe (and it never ceases to surprise me how many people out there couldn?t even spell ?irony?, let alone define it, but hey, even hate mail has its place.) If he thinks that the View he presents is irony then he'd better do some reflecting. It is very much just blunt axe writing and he may wish to take responsibility for the hate-comments that columns such as this foster which lead to less safe road conditions for people. Though people seem to have vented most of their venom at the previous item. His View just adds fuel. Jim On Tue, Feb 9th, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Richard Hockey wrote: > More in C-M today: > Cyclists a law unto themselves > http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26692804-952,00.html > > R > From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Tue Feb 9 15:10:00 2010 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Tue Feb 9 15:10:13 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] NZ cyclists road code In-Reply-To: <20100208233618.VUBT5111.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <692216.3506.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Michael, Who is your local state member? Why not raise it with him? In fact, tell the Courier Mail! Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au --- On Tue, 9/2/10, Michael Yeates wrote: From: Michael Yeates Subject: [bikeqld] NZ cyclists road code To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au, bfa-oz@topica.com Received: Tuesday, 9 February, 2010, 10:36 AM Found this ... http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/index.html Not read ...! May be of interest ... or a useful resource? Wonder why Australia doesn't have this sort of thing ... perhaps it does? Maybe we don't want one? 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100209/e352ef57/attachment.htm From bulk at ingramtech.com Tue Feb 9 17:52:01 2010 From: bulk at ingramtech.com (Dave Ingram) Date: Tue Feb 9 17:52:19 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] NZ cyclists road code In-Reply-To: <20100208233618.VUBT5111.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20100208233618.VUBT5111.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <4B71F521.4060901@ingramtech.com> Back in the mid 1980s when I was learning to ride (in NZ), there was school based training about road rules. Part of the training included having the local constable come to the school to explain the rules to the kids. It seemed that some parents didn't know the road rules very well, so couldn't really teach their children, but the children would accept the rules from the policeman (and rarely policewoman -- this was the 80s) and behave accordingly. Perhaps it is due to the temperature being more conducive to riding, very flat land around Christchurch (other than the Port Hills) and big wide roads, but a heap of people rode their bikes before it was an environmental or socially responsible thing to do. I rode because I couldn't afford a car, and buses were sufficiently unpleasant that I rode one only when I had to (snow, black ice, heavy rain etc). More people riding (for whatever reason), combined with the school education, is probably where the road code came from. I vaguely remember having a printed booklet of the rules from school. David. On 9/02/2010 9:36, Michael Yeates wrote: > Found this ... > > http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/index.html > > Not read ...! > > May be of interest ... or a useful resource? > > Wonder why Australia doesn't have this sort of thing ... perhaps it does? > > Maybe we don't want one? > > MY ..................... -- David Ingram (VK4TDI) Brisbane, Queensland, Australia To avoid spam trap, send email to dave at ingramtech dot com GPG: B0731AED W: http://ingramtech.com/ MH: QG62lm From peterw60 at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 18:36:10 2010 From: peterw60 at gmail.com (peterw60@gmail.com) Date: Tue Feb 9 18:36:33 2010 Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [bikeqld] NZ cyclists road code In-Reply-To: <0016e64caed0f95d42047f3436d5@google.com> Message-ID: <0016e648b07e8b3476047f343898@google.com> > Dave > We had the same thing in Adelaide, when I was in primary school in the > late 60s/early 70s. There was a site in the parklands west of the city, > with roads, intersections, lights, crossings etc. I seem to remember it > was run by police. Can't recall if we took our own treadlie or if it was > supplied - prob the latter. I've no idea if it's still running. I have > positive but vague memories of it, but I can't remember if it had any > impact on my knowledge or behaviour :) > Pete > On , Dave Ingram bulk@ingramtech.com> wrote: > > Back in the mid 1980s when I was learning to ride (in NZ), there was > school > > > > based training about road rules. Part of the training included having > the > > > > local constable come to the school to explain the rules to the kids. > > > > > > > > It seemed that some parents didn't know the road rules very well, so > couldn't > > > > really teach their children, but the children would accept the rules > from the > > > > policeman (and rarely policewoman -- this was the 80s) and behave > accordingly. > > > > > > > > Perhaps it is due to the temperature being more conducive to riding, > very flat > > > > land around Christchurch (other than the Port Hills) and big wide > roads, but a > > > > heap of people rode their bikes before it was an environmental or > socially > > > > responsible thing to do. I rode because I couldn't afford a car, and > buses > > > > were sufficiently unpleasant that I rode one only when I had to (snow, > black > > > > ice, heavy rain etc). > > > > > > > > More people riding (for whatever reason), combined with the school > education, > > > > is probably where the road code came from. I vaguely remember having a > printed > > > > booklet of the rules from school. > > > > > > > > > > > > David. > > > > > > > > On 9/02/2010 9:36, Michael Yeates wrote: > > > > > Found this ... > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/index.html > > > > > > > > > > Not read ...! > > > > > > > > > > May be of interest ... or a useful resource? > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why Australia doesn't have this sort of thing ... perhaps it > does? > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we don't want one? > > > > > > > > > > MY ..................... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > David Ingram (VK4TDI) > > > > Brisbane, Queensland, Australia > > > > To avoid spam trap, send email to dave at ingramtech dot com > > > > > > > > GPG: B0731AED > > > > W: http://ingramtech.com/ > > > > MH: QG62lm > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > bikeqld mailing list > > > > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > > > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > > > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > > > > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100210/2bd543e5/attachment.htm From peterw60 at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 21:28:28 2010 From: peterw60 at gmail.com (Peter Whittle) Date: Tue Feb 9 21:28:49 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] What to do if you get hit Message-ID: <008701caaa01$1f054a10$5d0fde30$@com> A good post from the group: fixed.org.au Started by TVM - Last post by TVM So i've just been hit again, and after i coudln't get any monies out of the last guy i was sure not to make the same mistakes with this accident. I thought i might put up a list of things to grab if you get hit so if they don't pay you can persue them. Might seem like common sense to some but it wasn't for me, especially when your'e in a little bit of shock and the adrenalin is flowing, and it's the first time you've been collected. licence details-address name and licence number contact number insurer witnesses name and number rego there might be others things if so please ad, but name and number isn't enough. if they decide to be a prick then you need to have their address so you can do this; Quote from: The mad hippie on August 08, 2009, 09:27:44 PM I got T-boned on my brand new carbon cross bike 6 weeks from new. They offending dick wad refused to put in an insurance claim because his premium was $2k. This is how I sorted it. 1. Get a writen quote or better still 3. 2. Present the said dick wad with the quotes and a letter of demand stating that you want a reply by a certain date. 3. If he does not reply go to the magistrates court in your area and obtain the documents 'Commencing civil proceedings in the Magistrate's Court'. Free. The cost to 'lodge' a complaint for less than $1000 is $72.50. 4. Post or hand deliver the copies to the defendant. 5. If the defendant fails to lodge a defence within 21 you may obtain a default judgement for a filling fee of $17. All fees now incurred will be added to the amount sought as far as I know.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100210/9979d865/attachment-0001.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Wed Feb 10 23:29:47 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Wed Feb 10 23:29:52 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] survey about cycling Message-ID: <20100211052937.VMQW1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Hi ... Not sure if this is an ongoing project previously publicised ... or new ... saw it in the current edition of RACQ The Road Ahead ... ;-) Some might find the following survey of interest and/or use ... certainly worth participating at least. Trouble is, we can never be sure how surveys and other research ends up being (i) interpreted and by whom and (ii) used or abused. http://www.carrsq.qut.edu.au/cyclingsurvey.jsp Most of the questions seemed reasonably well considered although as usual, some were open to interpretation .... and others open to exaggeration, optimism and/or porkies ... :-X MY......................... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100211/bc0c755e/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Tue Feb 16 17:36:54 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Tue Feb 16 17:37:09 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] safety ... an issue? Message-ID: <20100216233648.VROF2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> I see the "bikeway rapist" has lodged an appeal against the length of his sentence ... http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/bikeway-rapist-pleads-cut-my-sentence-20100216-o61c.html Is there any doubt that locating the bikeways in the environment where the offences occurred, contributed? Indeed, it would seem the offences would have been less likely if the bikeways had been located in areas subject to much more regular public surveillance. Given the emphasis being placed on Mr Garrett and the extent of his responsibility for the government decision to fund the ceiling insulation project, one might wonder whether a similar principle applies to those who design and fund bikeways that continue to be put away from the protection of the public view? Rather than promote cycling and walking, jogging,etc on and along hidden paths, why not on roads and on adjacent footpaths or at least only in places where users are subject to regular surveillance or at least have a safe choice provided? Safety is usually one of the criteria for locating bikeways. But usually other criteria are given much greater priority. One problem we face in Queensland is the fact so many people have lived here for a relatively short time so don't know what was here before they arrived. They don't recall cycling on the roads including with far fewer cars or where shared with trams ... and that is just one example. And how many people recall the wonderful footpaths along both sides of Coronation Drive esp on the riverside with the trees set in grass and indented parking bays? Coronation Drive used to be great for cycling along the footpath on the river side of the road ... but now the cyclists and pedestrians are almost totally hidden from view down on the bikeway ... but that is an old design ... c1988 ... yet we still seem to be doing it ...! It seems hiding the cyclists and pedestrians etc has become the accepted norm ...! The multi-million dollar Hillside Terrace St Lucia path is one example ... just completed ... rarely used by cyclists ... the less it is used, the more dangerous it is for those who use it. We are yet to see the proposed second stage design along The Esplanade to UQ. Why? Why not take the opportunity to promote "cyclist friendly" roads and if necessary improved footpaths ... rather than promote multi-million dollar bikeways hidden from view? MY.............................. From akayani at aapt.net.au Tue Feb 16 20:24:02 2010 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Tue Feb 16 20:24:14 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] safety ... an issue? In-Reply-To: <20100216233648.VROF2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20100216233648.VROF2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <000001caaf78$4553b310$cffb1930$@net.au> "Is there any doubt that locating the bikeways in the environment where the offences occurred, contributed?" If bikeways were located in more visible locations than that is called 'roads' and you have to consume car fumes. I think the issue here is that usage of cycleways is just too low. Yani From peterw60 at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 01:23:51 2010 From: peterw60 at gmail.com (Peter Whittle) Date: Wed Feb 17 01:24:12 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] POLL: Does the Courier Mail incite road rage against cyclists? In-Reply-To: <000001caaf78$4553b310$cffb1930$@net.au> References: <20100216233648.VROF2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <000001caaf78$4553b310$cffb1930$@net.au> Message-ID: <003d01caafa2$2b6f2ef0$824d8cd0$@com> http://www.roadgrime.com.au/home/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=114&topic=5 498.0 From peterw60 at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 02:08:55 2010 From: peterw60 at gmail.com (Peter Whittle) Date: Wed Feb 17 02:09:19 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] RE: POLL: Does the Courier Mail incite road rage against cyclists? References: <20100216233648.VROF2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <000001caaf78$4553b310$cffb1930$@net.au> Message-ID: <003e01caafa8$77b2bf10$67183d30$@com> For those who haven't got an account on RoadGrime, you need to open one if you want to get into the forum and read it or participate. It's easy enough to do. Here's the text of the poll: Question: Is the Courier Mail responsible for inciting road rage against cyclists? Yes, their articles result in drivers committing dangerous acts against cyclists. 11 (78.6%) I'm not sure - but there does seem to be a rise in road rage after CM articles. 3 (21.4%) Of course not - readers of the CM would never be influenced by the paper to commit dangerous acts. 0 (0%) Total Voters: 14 Author Topic: Courier Mail incites road rage? (Read 45 times) Courier Mail incites road rage? < on: Today at 03:00:11 PM > Recently we have seen two or more articles in The Courier Mail, presenting a negative image of cyclists on the road. Amongst the negatives presented, alongside none of the positives such as low safety risks to other people compared to cars, health benefits to riders from losing weight and getting fit, negligible environmental impact compared to cars, and getting cars off congested roads, are: - cyclists run red lights and generally disobey road rules - cyclists hold up motor traffic - cyclists ride on roads when they could be on bike paths - cyclists in lycra shamelessly display their junk, fat arses and love handles and revolt car drivers - cyclists don't pay registration or the costs of roads. Each of these criticisms is subject to argument (except the junk one , but we don't seem to see the counter-view in the Courier Mail articles; it only seems to present the negative side in the same article. These articles are invariably followed by hundreds of online comments agreeing with the article and becoming more and more inflamed. Every cyclist can list off their own experiences of road rage and deliberate dangerous acts such as having beer bottles being thrown at them, being "horned" aggressively, being swerved at, being struck. Many cyclists suggest these acts increase after such "public service" articles in the newspaper. With this poll, I'm trying to gauge just how we do feel - to put some data on it. I will send the results of this poll to Mr David F-agan, Editor of the Courier Mail, who thought the suggestion that his paper could indirectly have caused the death of a cyclist last week, was "particularly malevolent". What do you think? -----Original Message----- From: Peter Whittle [mailto:peterw60@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 17 February 2010 5:24 PM To: 'bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au' Subject: POLL: Does the Courier Mail incite road rage against cyclists? http://www.roadgrime.com.au/home/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=114&topic=5 498.0 From akayani at aapt.net.au Wed Feb 17 02:16:55 2010 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Wed Feb 17 02:17:05 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] RE: POLL: Does the Courier Mail incite road rage against cyclists? In-Reply-To: <003e01caafa8$77b2bf10$67183d30$@com> References: <20100216233648.VROF2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <000001caaf78$4553b310$cffb1930$@net.au> <003e01caafa8$77b2bf10$67183d30$@com> Message-ID: <002501caafa9$91c26350$b54729f0$@net.au> Question: Is the Courier Mail responsible for inciting road rage against cyclists? Yes, their articles result in drivers committing dangerous acts against cyclists. 11 (78.6%) I'm not sure - but there does seem to be a rise in road rage after CM articles. 3 (21.4%) Of course not - readers of the CM would never be influenced by the paper to commit dangerous acts. 0 (0%) They missed the most important option. Nar most of the idiots with a bad attitude can't read get 'it' from Channel 9 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100217/fa537899/attachment.htm From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Thu Feb 18 19:16:16 2010 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Thu Feb 18 19:16:35 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Cycling in Queensland Study - update Message-ID: http://www.bq.org.au/_downloads/BQ-UQ-participants-update.pdf R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yesterday I took an out-of-town visitor to have a look at the Port of Brisbane. I was surprised to find NO CYCLING signs ... AND it looked as if the whole place was totally shut down and deserted. I had thought that the NO CYCLING issue had been resolved previously ... or have the signs started to reappear? We did not share the road with one truck and we only saw one empty coal train leaving and one container carrier moving in the ship-side container stacks ... perhaps it was deserted ... so it was a very pleasant place to drive through slowly and explore ... and it would have been much the same if on a bike. So why is cycling banned and by whom? Sure ... these questions have been asked before. But if this place actually has a major workforce, then mandating they NOT cycle to work would seem counter to all sorts of state policies ... ;-) ... not least deliberately contributing to traffic congestion on the feeder roads. And the same goes for deliberately NOT encouraging "sharing the road" with cyclists...! As many would know (I hope), heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) are a huge problem ... and in particular, drivers in some organisations are participating in training programmes so they better understand what it is like cycling near trucks ... and cyclists get to know what it is like driving the trucks near cyclists. Clearly the speed limits at the PoB are completely crazy too ... eg I would hate to be driving on some of the roads posted 60 and 70km/h with fully laden B-doubles all around ... so there is a major problem also with the fact the area is modelling and promoting the very opposite of what arguably it could if not should be. #1 ... It could be much better managed as a place perhaps as an industry exemplar where trucks and cyclists ARE expected to "share the road" so it takes a lead role in encouraging better driving practices both in the PoB and on the roads outside eg by lowering speed limits, use of "yellow BIKEs" or bike lanes etc ... #2 ... It should be encouraging cycling to/from work ... NOT encouraging car use ... if only to reduce the impacts on access roads AND reduce the cost of provision of car parking ...! #3 ... These and other issues combined should also feature in the WH&S "design" and operation of the whole place ... I feel sure encouraging safer practices applies inside the various goods handling facilities, why not on the roads? #4 ... If it is virtually closed down at weekends, why not lift the ban on cycling on weekends? Surely there is a whole host of reasons to promote the place including the Visitors Centre and Eco-Cafe on weekends ... so why are they shut? #5 ... In addition to the lagoon and bush areas near the Visitors Centre, there are extensive wetlands and bird sanctuary areas which together with the drainage of the whole site should be an exemplar of modern environmental management. Why not show them off and publicise them? #6 ... Modern ports are something of an industrial marvel ... the scale of the operations, the various bits and pieces of "tools" used, etc ... so why not publicise them? Why hide them? From a legal point of view, the PoB might feel inclined to take the view that it is better off using exclusion tactics to present a picture of concern to its safety strategies but clearly in adopting those strategies it is NOT encouraging safer driving ... and THAT driving then occurs outside the PoB. Accordingly the PoB can be seen to be encouraging dangerous driving practices not only inside but outside the PoB. Why not expect the PoB to adopt and promote safe driving strategies? Although a long shot and not attributing any blame, but perhaps the truck driver involved in the fatal crash last week involving a cyclist and not far from the PoB was just one of the many drivers who would benefit from PoB setting up its roads so they promote a far better understanding of how to "share the road" with cyclists given so little of the road network used by trucks is "bicycle free"? Thoughts? MY.................................. From scott.rowan at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 20:57:13 2010 From: scott.rowan at gmail.com (Scott Rowan) Date: Sat Feb 20 20:57:28 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] cycling at PoB In-Reply-To: <20100220224527.JNBY1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20100220224527.JNBY1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <867a91002201857v3a15958age19e6c54814a86e@mail.gmail.com> It's temporarily prohibited while roadworks take place. It will be interesting to see if they keep their promise and reopen the POB to cycling once the roadworks are complete. No reason to think they won't at this stage. http://www.qld.cycling.org.au/?Page=36049 Cheers, Scott On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Michael Yeates wrote: > Hi .. > > Yesterday I took an out-of-town visitor to have a look at the Port of > Brisbane. > > I was surprised to find NO CYCLING signs ... AND it looked as if the whole > place was totally shut down and deserted. > > I had thought that the NO CYCLING issue had been resolved previously ... or > have the signs started to reappear? > > We did not share the road with one truck and we only saw one empty coal > train leaving and one container carrier moving in the ship-side container > stacks ... perhaps it was deserted ... so it was a very pleasant place to > drive through slowly and explore ... and it would have been much the same if > on a bike. > > So why is cycling banned and by whom? > > Sure ... these questions have been asked before. > > But if this place actually has a major workforce, then mandating they NOT > cycle to work would seem counter to all sorts of state policies ... ;-) ... > not least deliberately contributing to traffic congestion on the feeder > roads. And the same goes for deliberately NOT encouraging "sharing the road" > with cyclists...! > > As many would know (I hope), heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) are a huge problem > ... and in particular, drivers in some organisations are participating in > training programmes so they better understand what it is like cycling near > trucks ... and cyclists get to know what it is like driving the trucks near > cyclists. > > Clearly the speed limits at the PoB are completely crazy too ... eg I would > hate to be driving on some of the roads posted 60 and 70km/h with fully > laden B-doubles all around ... so there is a major problem also with the > fact the area is modelling and promoting the very opposite of what arguably > it could if not should be. > > #1 ... It could be much better managed as a place perhaps as an industry > exemplar where trucks and cyclists ARE expected to "share the road" so it > takes a lead role in encouraging better driving practices both in the PoB > and on the roads outside eg by lowering speed limits, use of "yellow BIKEs" > or bike lanes etc ... > > #2 ... It should be encouraging cycling to/from work ... NOT encouraging > car use ... if only to reduce the impacts on access roads AND reduce the > cost of provision of car parking ...! > > #3 ... These and other issues combined should also feature in the WH&S > "design" and operation of the whole place ... I feel sure encouraging safer > practices applies inside the various goods handling facilities, why not on > the roads? > > #4 ... If it is virtually closed down at weekends, why not lift the ban on > cycling on weekends? Surely there is a whole host of reasons to promote the > place including the Visitors Centre and Eco-Cafe on weekends ... so why are > they shut? > > #5 ... In addition to the lagoon and bush areas near the Visitors Centre, > there are extensive wetlands and bird sanctuary areas which together with > the drainage of the whole site should be an exemplar of modern environmental > management. Why not show them off and publicise them? > > #6 ... Modern ports are something of an industrial marvel ... the scale of > the operations, the various bits and pieces of "tools" used, etc ... so why > not publicise them? Why hide them? > > From a legal point of view, the PoB might feel inclined to take the view > that it is better off using exclusion tactics to present a picture of > concern to its safety strategies but clearly in adopting those strategies it > is NOT encouraging safer driving ... and THAT driving then occurs outside > the PoB. > > Accordingly the PoB can be seen to be encouraging dangerous driving > practices not only inside but outside the PoB. > > Why not expect the PoB to adopt and promote safe driving strategies? > > Although a long shot and not attributing any blame, but perhaps the truck > driver involved in the fatal crash last week involving a cyclist and not far > from the PoB was just one of the many drivers who would benefit from PoB > setting up its roads so they promote a far better understanding of how to > "share the road" with cyclists given so little of the road network used by > trucks is "bicycle free"? > > Thoughts? > > MY.................................. > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100221/e6af6e44/attachment.htm From airportbug at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 21:03:04 2010 From: airportbug at gmail.com (Mitch) Date: Sat Feb 20 21:03:17 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] cycling at PoB In-Reply-To: <20100220224527.JNBY1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20100220224527.JNBY1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <9083b07a1002201903v3a74b6e4kff586eb0b7bf86a1@mail.gmail.com> Hi Michael Airport BUG have an interest in cycling at Port of Brisbane as members of Airport BUG also work at the Port of Brisbane. Airport BUG have had discussions with Port of Brisbane management regarding commuter cyclists at the port. The Port of Brisbane Corporation announced last year that due to road works the roads would become dangerous for cyclists. Their response was to exclude cyclists from Port Roads for the period of construction. Although Airport BUG are opposed to banning of cyclists anywhere, to their credit the Port of Brisbane have organised an end of ride facility at the Caltex Truck stop at the entrance to the port, where there are showers and a bicycle lockup. A shuttle bus has been organised by the Port to take cyclists to their workplace. ( I believe there is no charge to cyclists). Port of Brisbane management explained that long term plans were to establish a bicycle end of trip facility near the visitor information centre within the port which is good news for commuter cyclists. Mitch Coordinator Airport BUG airportbug@gmail.com http://airportbug.googlepages.com The text below is an extract from the Port of Brisbane Nov/Dec 2009 Newsletter: http://www.portbris.com.au/Portals/0/Port%20Files/Newsletters/Port%20of%20Brisbane%20News/15954%20Port%20News(DEC8).pdf Cycling, fishing and parking changes. The duplication of the Captain Bishop Bridge and associated road works at the Port of Brisbane will commence in January 2010, and is expected to be completed in arch/April 2011. Disruptions to port traffic will be kept to a minimum during construction, however, the road works will have an impact on cycling at Fisherman Islands and fishing and parking near Captain Bishop Bridge. Parking will no longer be possible in the area adjacent to the bridge and fishing in this area will be restricted to the Whyte Island boat ramp area only. For safety reasons, cycling on Fisherman Islands will no longer be permitted once the road works commence in January. To cater for commuting cyclists, a temporary end-of-ride facility will be provided at the Caltex Truck Stop,and be connected to Port Drive via a bikeway. A scheduled shuttle service to take cyclists to and from their place of work will be provided. If you cycle to work and require the use of the shuttle service, please contact Manager Corporate Relations, Rosie Field, on (07) 3258 4786. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Michael Yeates wrote: > Hi .. > > Yesterday I took an out-of-town visitor to have a look at the Port of > Brisbane. > > I was surprised to find NO CYCLING signs ... AND it looked as if the whole > place was totally shut down and deserted. > > I had thought that the NO CYCLING issue had been resolved previously ... or > have the signs started to reappear? > > We did not share the road with one truck and we only saw one empty coal > train leaving and one container carrier moving in the ship-side container > stacks ... perhaps it was deserted ... so it was a very pleasant place to > drive through slowly and explore ... and it would have been much the same if > on a bike. > > So why is cycling banned and by whom? > > Sure ... these questions have been asked before. > > But if this place actually has a major workforce, then mandating they NOT > cycle to work would seem counter to all sorts of state policies ... ;-) ... > not least deliberately contributing to traffic congestion on the feeder > roads. And the same goes for deliberately NOT encouraging "sharing the road" > with cyclists...! > > As many would know (I hope), heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) are a huge problem > ... and in particular, drivers in some organisations are participating in > training programmes so they better understand what it is like cycling near > trucks ... and cyclists get to know what it is like driving the trucks near > cyclists. > > Clearly the speed limits at the PoB are completely crazy too ... eg I would > hate to be driving on some of the roads posted 60 and 70km/h with fully > laden B-doubles all around ... so there is a major problem also with the > fact the area is modelling and promoting the very opposite of what arguably > it could if not should be. > > #1 ... It could be much better managed as a place perhaps as an industry > exemplar where trucks and cyclists ARE expected to "share the road" so it > takes a lead role in encouraging better driving practices both in the PoB > and on the roads outside eg by lowering speed limits, use of "yellow BIKEs" > or bike lanes etc ... > > #2 ... It should be encouraging cycling to/from work ... NOT encouraging > car use ... if only to reduce the impacts on access roads AND reduce the > cost of provision of car parking ...! > > #3 ... These and other issues combined should also feature in the WH&S > "design" and operation of the whole place ... I feel sure encouraging safer > practices applies inside the various goods handling facilities, why not on > the roads? > > #4 ... If it is virtually closed down at weekends, why not lift the ban on > cycling on weekends? Surely there is a whole host of reasons to promote the > place including the Visitors Centre and Eco-Cafe on weekends ... so why are > they shut? > > #5 ... In addition to the lagoon and bush areas near the Visitors Centre, > there are extensive wetlands and bird sanctuary areas which together with > the drainage of the whole site should be an exemplar of modern environmental > management. Why not show them off and publicise them? > > #6 ... Modern ports are something of an industrial marvel ... the scale of > the operations, the various bits and pieces of "tools" used, etc ... so why > not publicise them? Why hide them? > > From a legal point of view, the PoB might feel inclined to take the view > that it is better off using exclusion tactics to present a picture of > concern to its safety strategies but clearly in adopting those strategies it > is NOT encouraging safer driving ... and THAT driving then occurs outside > the PoB. > > Accordingly the PoB can be seen to be encouraging dangerous driving > practices not only inside but outside the PoB. > > Why not expect the PoB to adopt and promote safe driving strategies? > > Although a long shot and not attributing any blame, but perhaps the truck > driver involved in the fatal crash last week involving a cyclist and not far > from the PoB was just one of the many drivers who would benefit from PoB > setting up its roads so they promote a far better understanding of how to > "share the road" with cyclists given so little of the road network used by > trucks is "bicycle free"? > > Thoughts? > > MY.................................. > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100221/bee13afb/attachment-0001.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Sat Feb 20 23:10:16 2010 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Sat Feb 20 23:10:23 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] cycling at PoB In-Reply-To: <9083b07a1002201903v3a74b6e4kff586eb0b7bf86a1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20100220224527.JNBY1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <9083b07a1002201903v3a74b6e4kff586eb0b7bf86a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100221050959.GVYN19767.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Thanks to Mitch and to Scott ... I had noticed the "bus stops" branded as transPORT ... but on checking on the web this morning, I noticed that the current bus service connection to the trains (three in the morning and three in the afternoon) is due to stop at the end of February ... strangely coincident with the road works presumably causing problems on the PoB roads. I could find no mention of any other continuing or new internal bus service although that would clearly be one solution. But to bigger questions. #1 ... If this were the Netherlands for example, then very good quality temporary arrangements would be constructed so cycling would continue to be promoted and encouraged ... not be banned. And although there was no work under way, there seemed to be no reason why these PoB roads would be any different to roads outside the PoB .. namely just use traffic controllers, reduced speed limits, temporary diversions, etc when and where necessary as is commonplace ... so why not here at the PoB? #2 ... While there might be provision for "end of trip", how good are the secure storage facilities for clothes and bikes etc? Are these exemplary as might be expected? And are they permanent? #3 ... I also noticed somewhere that the road works includes a bike path? Is this to be yet another place where cyclists are expected to to use paths and not use the roads? I haven't been near the airport so have no idea what is happening there in relation to encouraging cycling to it but a comparison of the altitudes of both authorities to cycling and the extent to which not driving to work or indeed to visit, is interesting especially as the massive expenditures on road construction apparently necessitates banning or discouraging cycling just when encouraging more people to cycle would be expected to be effective, then when the roads are finished and are promoted as resolving congestion etc, use of the car could be expected to rise again. Ahh Brisbane and Queensland ... MY...................... At 01:03 PM 21/02/2010, Mitch wrote: >Hi Michael > >Airport BUG have an interest in cycling at Port of Brisbane as >members of Airport BUG also work at the Port of Brisbane. Airport >BUG have had discussions with Port of Brisbane management regarding >commuter cyclists at the port. > >The Port of Brisbane Corporation announced last year that due to >road works the roads would become dangerous for cyclists. Their >response was to exclude cyclists from Port Roads for the period of >construction. Although Airport BUG are opposed to banning of >cyclists anywhere, to their credit the Port of Brisbane have >organised an end of ride facility at the Caltex Truck stop at the >entrance to the port, where there are showers and a bicycle lockup. >A shuttle bus has been organised by the Port to take cyclists to >their workplace. ( I believe there is no charge to cyclists). > >Port of Brisbane management explained that long term plans were to >establish a bicycle end of trip facility near the visitor >information centre within the port which is good news for commuter cyclists. > > >Mitch >Coordinator Airport BUG >airportbug@gmail.com >http://airportbug.googlepages.com >The text below is an extract from the Port of Brisbane Nov/Dec 2009 >Newsletter: > > > >http://www.portbris.com.au/Portals/0/Port%20Files/Newsletters/Port%20of%20Brisbane%20News/15954%20Port%20News(DEC8).pdf > > > >Cycling, fishing and parking changes. > > > >The duplication of the Captain Bishop Bridge and associated road >works at the Port of Brisbane will commence in January 2010, and is >expected to be completed in arch/April 2011. > >Disruptions to port traffic will be kept to a minimum during >construction, however, the road works will have an impact on cycling >at Fisherman Islands and fishing and parking near Captain Bishop Bridge. > >Parking will no longer be possible in the area adjacent to the >bridge and fishing in this area will be restricted to the Whyte >Island boat ramp area only. > > > >For safety reasons, cycling on Fisherman Islands will no longer be >permitted once the road works commence in January. To cater for >commuting cyclists, a temporary end-of-ride facility will be >provided at the Caltex Truck Stop,and be connected to Port Drive via >a bikeway. A scheduled shuttle service to take cyclists to and from >their place of work will be provided. If you cycle to work and >require the use of the shuttle service, please contact Manager >Corporate Relations, Rosie Field, on (07) 3258 4786. > > > >On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Michael Yeates ><michael@yeatesit.biz> wrote: >Hi .. > >Yesterday I took an out-of-town visitor to have a look at the Port >of Brisbane. > >I was surprised to find NO CYCLING signs ... AND it looked as if the >whole place was totally shut down and deserted. > >I had thought that the NO CYCLING issue had been resolved previously >... or have the signs started to reappear? > >We did not share the road with one truck and we only saw one empty >coal train leaving and one container carrier moving in the ship-side >container stacks ... perhaps it was deserted ... so it was a very >pleasant place to drive through slowly and explore ... and it would >have been much the same if on a bike. > >So why is cycling banned and by whom? > >Sure ... these questions have been asked before. > >But if this place actually has a major workforce, then mandating >they NOT cycle to work would seem counter to all sorts of state >policies ... ;-) ... not least deliberately contributing to traffic >congestion on the feeder roads. And the same goes for deliberately >NOT encouraging "sharing the road" with cyclists...! > >As many would know (I hope), heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) are a huge >problem ... and in particular, drivers in some organisations are >participating in training programmes so they better understand what >it is like cycling near trucks ... and cyclists get to know what it >is like driving the trucks near cyclists. > >Clearly the speed limits at the PoB are completely crazy too ... eg >I would hate to be driving on some of the roads posted 60 and 70km/h >with fully laden B-doubles all around ... so there is a major >problem also with the fact the area is modelling and promoting the >very opposite of what arguably it could if not should be. > >#1 ... It could be much better managed as a place perhaps as an >industry exemplar where trucks and cyclists ARE expected to "share >the road" so it takes a lead role in encouraging better driving >practices both in the PoB and on the roads outside eg by lowering >speed limits, use of "yellow BIKEs" or bike lanes etc ... > >#2 ... It should be encouraging cycling to/from work ... NOT >encouraging car use ... if only to reduce the impacts on access >roads AND reduce the cost of provision of car parking ...! > >#3 ... These and other issues combined should also feature in the >WH&S "design" and operation of the whole place ... I feel sure >encouraging safer practices applies inside the various goods >handling facilities, why not on the roads? > >#4 ... If it is virtually closed down at weekends, why not lift the >ban on cycling on weekends? Surely there is a whole host of reasons >to promote the place including the Visitors Centre and Eco-Cafe on >weekends ... so why are they shut? > >#5 ... In addition to the lagoon and bush areas near the Visitors >Centre, there are extensive wetlands and bird sanctuary areas which >together with the drainage of the whole site should be an exemplar >of modern environmental management. Why not show them off and publicise them? > >#6 ... Modern ports are something of an industrial marvel ... the >scale of the operations, the various bits and pieces of "tools" >used, etc ... so why not publicise them? Why hide them? > > From a legal point of view, the PoB might feel inclined to take the > view that it is better off using exclusion tactics to present a > picture of concern to its safety strategies but clearly in adopting > those strategies it is NOT encouraging safer driving ... and THAT > driving then occurs outside the PoB. > >Accordingly the PoB can be seen to be encouraging dangerous driving >practices not only inside but outside the PoB. > >Why not expect the PoB to adopt and promote safe driving strategies? > >Although a long shot and not attributing any blame, but perhaps the >truck driver involved in the fatal crash last week involving a >cyclist and not far from the PoB was just one of the many drivers >who would benefit from PoB setting up its roads so they promote a >far better understanding of how to "share the road" with cyclists >given so little of the road network used by trucks is "bicycle free"? > >Thoughts? > >MY.................................. > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2700 - Release Date: >02/21/10 05:34:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100221/1ba0819e/attachment.htm From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Mon Feb 22 06:20:28 2010 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Mon Feb 22 06:20:52 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights Message-ID: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> Hi all, What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be sufficiently reliable. I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant criterion. Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? Thanks, Ian From cameraperson at bigpond.com Mon Feb 22 06:35:19 2010 From: cameraperson at bigpond.com (Michael Fanning) Date: Mon Feb 22 06:35:33 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights In-Reply-To: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> References: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: I have had one of these for a couple of years. It is brilliant. Good enough to see my way coming down Mt Coot-tha. http://www.niterider.com/prod_minewt.shtml Mick On 22/02/2010, at 10:20 PM, Ian Lister wrote: > Hi all, > > What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be sufficiently reliable. > > I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > > A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant criterion. > > Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > > Thanks, > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From akayani at aapt.net.au Mon Feb 22 07:13:18 2010 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Mon Feb 22 07:13:32 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights In-Reply-To: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> References: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <000001cab3c0$cd4822f0$67d868d0$@net.au> LED are the go, anything else tends to be useless if the batteries aren't fully charged. I like these http://www.bumsonbikes.com.au/bob/product.php?productid=460&cat=15&page=1 Pretty cheap, well made, uses 4 standard AAA batteries. I wouldn't buy any light that didn't take a standard battery as I've been caught out before with a flat, spent hours hunting for batteries, only to have to ride in the pitch black, (down the Gold Coast) to get to that Robina station. I've been using standard Everyready Energizer Rechargeable in EVERYTHING with a $30 Everyready recharger. In the laser mouse they last for 10 days where as even the most expensive normal batteries are lucky to last for 5 days. Whatever light you choose, seriously, stick to a standard battery you can get from a late night garage or 7/11. Even a dim light that you can get a battery for in an emergency is way better than no light. Mark was talking about some mega light that is $300 and used by dudes doing night off road racing. More than my bike is worth. If you want something like that ring him. Yani PS: Not working down there ATM, doing Honours this year and need to keep focus. But you can trust them to post stuff at 11AM each day after an order is placed. -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Ian Lister Sent: Monday, 22 February 2010 10:20 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights Hi all, What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be sufficiently reliable. I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant criterion. Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? Thanks, Ian _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From adsliif2 at iinet.net.au Mon Feb 22 12:21:54 2010 From: adsliif2 at iinet.net.au (John Nightingale) Date: Mon Feb 22 12:22:08 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights In-Reply-To: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: Ay Up the only sensible choice. Half the price of niterider and very reliable. I haven't seen any opposition to match them. J. On 22/2/10 10:20 PM, "Ian Lister" wrote: > Hi all, > > What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've > been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few > years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with > their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be > sufficiently reliable. > > I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium > ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, > what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of > being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of > years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but > not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > > A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge > regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite > advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere > insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant > criterion. > > Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > > Thanks, > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From peterw60 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 14:45:47 2010 From: peterw60 at gmail.com (Peter Whittle) Date: Mon Feb 22 14:46:29 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights In-Reply-To: References: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <000f01cab400$086c85d0$19459170$@com> I totally agree on the quality of AyUps. I've bought three sets including two as gifts in around three years. They are robust and well designed. They are constantly improving them, with better switches, batteries, LEDs etc. One really good thing is the mounts for helmet and bike - only a few dollars each, so you can have one on each bike and shift the lights very easily. Their customer service is impeccable if you do have a problem - e.g. I had a battery that died and they sent me a new one without question, plus a post pack for me to return the old one for diagnosis. They are in Pine Rivers QLD so it arrived the next day. Many riders in Brisbane have AyUps, the word-of-mouth is so strong. Pete -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of John Nightingale Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 4:22 AM To: Ian Lister; bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Latest on lights Ay Up the only sensible choice. Half the price of niterider and very reliable. I haven't seen any opposition to match them. J. On 22/2/10 10:20 PM, "Ian Lister" wrote: > Hi all, > > What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've > been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few > years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with > their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be > sufficiently reliable. > > I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium > ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, > what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of > being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of > years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but > not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > > A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge > regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite > advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere > insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant > criterion. > > Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > > Thanks, > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From akayani at aapt.net.au Mon Feb 22 18:35:12 2010 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Mon Feb 22 18:35:23 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights In-Reply-To: <000f01cab400$086c85d0$19459170$@com> References: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> <000f01cab400$086c85d0$19459170$@com> Message-ID: <002401cab420$0ffd6ba0$2ff842e0$@net.au> http://www.ayup-lights.com/ Yep that in that class of "ride down a mountain in the dark". I'm a tad curious if having lights on a helmet increases insect strikes in the face. Maybe movement eliminates that? Yani From scott.rowan at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 18:56:24 2010 From: scott.rowan at gmail.com (Scott Rowan) Date: Mon Feb 22 18:56:38 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights In-Reply-To: References: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <867a91002221656r6fcf4c83s2bf41e823f709d05@mail.gmail.com> I have a MiNewt USB as well. Purchased from Wiggle for approx $130. Would have liked the Ay-ups but couldn't justify the additional cost given the amount of night riding I do. Very happy with the MiNewt though. Cheers, Scott On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Michael Fanning wrote: > I have had one of these for a couple of years. It is brilliant. Good enough > to see my way coming down Mt Coot-tha. > > http://www.niterider.com/prod_minewt.shtml > > Mick > > > > On 22/02/2010, at 10:20 PM, Ian Lister wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've > been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few > years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with > their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be sufficiently > reliable. > > > > I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium > ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, > what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of > being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of > years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but not > if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > > > > A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge > regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite > advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere > insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant > criterion. > > > > Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > bikeqld mailing list > > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100223/d109f535/attachment.htm From tony_lupton at yahoo.com.au Mon Feb 22 18:59:59 2010 From: tony_lupton at yahoo.com.au (Tony Lupton) Date: Mon Feb 22 19:00:13 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights In-Reply-To: <002401cab420$0ffd6ba0$2ff842e0$@net.au> References: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> <000f01cab400$086c85d0$19459170$@com> <002401cab420$0ffd6ba0$2ff842e0$@net.au> Message-ID: <453942.11084.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I haven't noticed any real difference in?insect strike. The only downside I have notice with the helmet lights is they tend to reflect back on fog badly. Nothing quite like coming down Nebo in the dark on a winter morning with full lights on.?And then you striking a patch of fog ... ? Tony ________________________________ From: Yani To: Peter Whittle ; John Nightingale ; bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Sent: Tue, 23 February, 2010 10:35:12 AM Subject: RE: [bikeqld] Latest on lights http://www.ayup-lights.com/ Yep that in that class of "ride down a mountain in the dark". I'm a tad curious if having lights on a helmet increases insect strikes in the face. Maybe movement eliminates that? Yani _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Very happy with the MiNewt though. Cheers, Scott On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Michael Fanning wrote: I have had one of these for a couple of years. It is brilliant. Good enough to see my way coming down Mt Coot-tha. http://www.niterider.com/prod_minewt.shtml Mick On 22/02/2010, at 10:20 PM, Ian Lister wrote: > Hi all, > > What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be sufficiently reliable. > > I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > > A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant criterion. > > Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > > Thanks, > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100223/d0d7be1f/attachment-0001.htm From cameraperson at bigpond.com Tue Feb 23 03:08:29 2010 From: cameraperson at bigpond.com (Michael Fanning) Date: Tue Feb 23 03:10:43 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just checked out their web site. They look pretty good. Local product too. Mick On 23/02/2010, at 4:21 AM, John Nightingale wrote: > Ay Up the only sensible choice. Half the price of niterider and very > reliable. I haven't seen any opposition to match them. > J. > > > On 22/2/10 10:20 PM, "Ian Lister" wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've >> been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few >> years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with >> their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be >> sufficiently reliable. >> >> I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium >> ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, >> what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of >> being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of >> years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but >> not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. >> >> A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge >> regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite >> advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere >> insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant >> criterion. >> >> Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bikeqld mailing list >> bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >> This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From aaron_wray at hotmail.com Tue Feb 23 03:19:33 2010 From: aaron_wray at hotmail.com (Aaron Wray) Date: Tue Feb 23 03:19:45 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights (Ian Lister) In-Reply-To: <201002221800.o1MI05u8027721@laika.gnusto.com> References: <201002221800.o1MI05u8027721@laika.gnusto.com> Message-ID: Ian my friend you have come to the right place. I love lights. For bang for buck you can't go past these http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.29489 I use it in combination with ayups. This site also has a wide selection of lights with high lumens for low $$ I've got a couple of them I'll bring them to the BUG meeting tomorrow if you want to have a look like this one http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.30985 which is really bright and easy to get on and off you can get them in aa and aaa battery styles. I've also got a torch style one that you can buy mounts for that is really cheap. Ayups are awesome build quality and excellent warranty. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Latest on lights (Ian Lister) > 2. Re: Latest on lights (Michael Fanning) > 3. RE: Latest on lights (Yani) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:20:28 +1000 (EST) > From: Ian Lister > Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights > To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > Message-ID: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi all, > > What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've > been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few > years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with > their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be > sufficiently reliable. > > I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium > ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, > what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of > being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of > years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but > not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > > A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge > regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite > advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere > insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant > criterion. > > Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > > Thanks, > > Ian > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:35:19 +1000 > From: Michael Fanning > Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Latest on lights > To: Ian Lister , bikeqld > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have had one of these for a couple of years. It is brilliant. Good enough to see my way coming down Mt Coot-tha. > > http://www.niterider.com/prod_minewt.shtml > > Mick > > > > On 22/02/2010, at 10:20 PM, Ian Lister wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be sufficiently reliable. > > > > I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > > > > A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant criterion. > > > > Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > bikeqld mailing list > > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:13:18 +1000 > From: "Yani" > Subject: RE: [bikeqld] Latest on lights > To: "'Ian Lister'" , > > Message-ID: <000001cab3c0$cd4822f0$67d868d0$@net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > LED are the go, anything else tends to be useless if the batteries aren't > fully charged. > > I like these > http://www.bumsonbikes.com.au/bob/product.php?productid=460&cat=15&page=1 > > Pretty cheap, well made, uses 4 standard AAA batteries. > > I wouldn't buy any light that didn't take a standard battery as I've been > caught out before with a flat, spent hours hunting for batteries, only to > have to ride in the pitch black, (down the Gold Coast) to get to that Robina > station. > > I've been using standard Everyready Energizer Rechargeable in EVERYTHING > with a $30 Everyready recharger. In the laser mouse they last for 10 days > where as even the most expensive normal batteries are lucky to last for 5 > days. > > Whatever light you choose, seriously, stick to a standard battery you can > get from a late night garage or 7/11. Even a dim light that you can get a > battery for in an emergency is way better than no light. > > Mark was talking about some mega light that is $300 and used by dudes doing > night off road racing. More than my bike is worth. If you want something > like that ring him. > > Yani > > PS: Not working down there ATM, doing Honours this year and need to keep > focus. But you can trust them to post stuff at 11AM each day after an order > is placed. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] > On Behalf Of Ian Lister > Sent: Monday, 22 February 2010 10:20 PM > To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights > > Hi all, > > What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've > been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few > years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with > their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be > sufficiently reliable. > > I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium > ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, > what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of > being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of > years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but > not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > > A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge > regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite > advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere > insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant > criterion. > > Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > > Thanks, > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > > End of bikeqld Digest, Vol 54, Issue 13 > *************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Find a great deal on your next car. Get straight to the Point. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157637060/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20100223/5eb9ddb1/attachment.htm From ben at ultramotive.com.au Wed Feb 24 20:05:29 2010 From: ben at ultramotive.com.au (Ben Guymer) Date: Wed Feb 24 20:05:45 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] Cars 'n bikes n stuff In-Reply-To: <002501caafa9$91c26350$b54729f0$@net.au> References: <20100216233648.VROF2010.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <000001caaf78$4553b310$cffb1930$@net.au> <003e01caafa8$77b2bf10$67183d30$@com> <002501caafa9$91c26350$b54729f0$@net.au> Message-ID: <4B85DAE9.5090309@ultramotive.com.au> Hi Folks, Haven't posted in a while etc... living out at Samford and the 70km return commute just isn't that alluring.. Still commute from Paddington once or twice a week. Oh and the new Specialised San Francisco I got dumped me over the handlebars on the footpath on William Jolly Bridge at 40kph when the chain fell off last year.. wended my way across to Mater Emergency where they patched me up. (ha ha, Richard, just like the BQ survey I too had an accident in the last year!) POS bike. Lifecycle said the bike was fine the chain just needed tightening (I still reckon thats BS) but I reckon the chainrings aren't quite aligned.. add in some frame flex and a cheap chainring, chain falls off. But I'm not game to replicate that experiment!!! Anyway, I recently bought a Renault - its a kind of car ;-) . So... I joined a renault internet forum.... they have quite a number of keen cyclists, and a couple of (well patronised) threads dedicated to cycling of which I am most impressed. One of the forum members got put in ICU after being hit by a car (while commuting sydney) last year so they tried to raise some money to get him a new pushie and organise a meet dedicated to helping this guy out.. anyway I just thought that its great to see a bunch of motorists so supportive of cycling. http://www.ozrenaultsport.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8950&start=775 Cheers -- Ben Guymer RPEQ Ultramotive Technologies P/L 5 / 148 Tennyson Memorial Drive Tennyson Q 4105 Ph. +617-3217 1175 Fx. +617-3217 1165 From maccahill at hotmail.com Thu Feb 25 00:56:44 2010 From: maccahill at hotmail.com (michael cahill) Date: Thu Feb 25 00:57:18 2010 Subject: [bikeqld] RE: bikeqld Digest, Vol 54, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <201002231800.o1NI08wt010827@laika.gnusto.com> References: <201002231800.o1NI08wt010827@laika.gnusto.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Speaking of lights and rechargable batteries, not sure if they will fit the lights being discussed, but I have been using sanyo eneloops AA, they are great performance for their price, here are some reviews. http://www.productreview.com.au/showitem.php?item_id=39463 I have bought 4 of them with a charger 2 years ago for $30 from Dick Smith and they are still going well. Regards Michael > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:00:08 -0600 > From: bikeqld-request@bikeqld.org.au > Subject: bikeqld Digest, Vol 54, Issue 15 > To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > > Send bikeqld mailing list submissions to > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > bikeqld-request@bikeqld.org.au > > You can reach the person managing the list at > bikeqld-owner@bikeqld.org.au > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of bikeqld digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Latest on lights (Michael Fanning) > 2. Latest on lights (Ian Lister) (Aaron Wray) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:08:29 +1000 > From: Michael Fanning > Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Latest on lights > To: bikeqld > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Just checked out their web site. They look pretty good. Local product too. > > Mick > > > On 23/02/2010, at 4:21 AM, John Nightingale wrote: > > > Ay Up the only sensible choice. Half the price of niterider and very > > reliable. I haven't seen any opposition to match them. > > J. > > > > > > On 22/2/10 10:20 PM, "Ian Lister" wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've > >> been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few > >> years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with > >> their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be > >> sufficiently reliable. > >> > >> I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium > >> ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, > >> what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of > >> being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of > >> years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but > >> not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > >> > >> A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge > >> regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite > >> advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere > >> insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant > >> criterion. > >> > >> Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Ian > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> bikeqld mailing list > >> bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > >> This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > bikeqld mailing list > > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:19:33 +1000 > From: Aaron Wray > Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights (Ian Lister) > To: "bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Ian my friend you have come to the right place. I love lights. For bang for buck you can't go past these http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.29489 I use it in combination with ayups. This site also has a wide selection of lights with high lumens for low $$ I've got a couple of them I'll bring them to the BUG meeting tomorrow if you want to have a look like this one http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.30985 which is really bright and easy to get on and off you can get them in aa and aaa battery styles. I've also got a torch style one that you can buy mounts for that is really cheap. Ayups are awesome build quality and excellent warranty. > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Latest on lights (Ian Lister) > > 2. Re: Latest on lights (Michael Fanning) > > 3. RE: Latest on lights (Yani) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:20:28 +1000 (EST) > > From: Ian Lister > > Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights > > To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > > Message-ID: <20100222194834.F2673@singha.lister.id.au> > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > > Hi all, > > > > What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've > > been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few > > years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with > > their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be > > sufficiently reliable. > > > > I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium > > ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, > > what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of > > being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of > > years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but > > not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > > > > A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge > > regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite > > advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere > > insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant > > criterion. > > > > Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:35:19 +1000 > > From: Michael Fanning > > Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Latest on lights > > To: Ian Lister , bikeqld > > > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > I have had one of these for a couple of years. It is brilliant. Good enough to see my way coming down Mt Coot-tha. > > > > http://www.niterider.com/prod_minewt.shtml > > > > Mick > > > > > > > > On 22/02/2010, at 10:20 PM, Ian Lister wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be sufficiently reliable. > > > > > > I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > > > > > > A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant criterion. > > > > > > Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > bikeqld mailing list > > > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > > > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:13:18 +1000 > > From: "Yani" > > Subject: RE: [bikeqld] Latest on lights > > To: "'Ian Lister'" , > > > > Message-ID: <000001cab3c0$cd4822f0$67d868d0$@net.au> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > LED are the go, anything else tends to be useless if the batteries aren't > > fully charged. > > > > I like these > > http://www.bumsonbikes.com.au/bob/product.php?productid=460&cat=15&page=1 > > > > Pretty cheap, well made, uses 4 standard AAA batteries. > > > > I wouldn't buy any light that didn't take a standard battery as I've been > > caught out before with a flat, spent hours hunting for batteries, only to > > have to ride in the pitch black, (down the Gold Coast) to get to that Robina > > station. > > > > I've been using standard Everyready Energizer Rechargeable in EVERYTHING > > with a $30 Everyready recharger. In the laser mouse they last for 10 days > > where as even the most expensive normal batteries are lucky to last for 5 > > days. > > > > Whatever light you choose, seriously, stick to a standard battery you can > > get from a late night garage or 7/11. Even a dim light that you can get a > > battery for in an emergency is way better than no light. > > > > Mark was talking about some mega light that is $300 and used by dudes doing > > night off road racing. More than my bike is worth. If you want something > > like that ring him. > > > > Yani > > > > PS: Not working down there ATM, doing Honours this year and need to keep > > focus. But you can trust them to post stuff at 11AM each day after an order > > is placed. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] > > On Behalf Of Ian Lister > > Sent: Monday, 22 February 2010 10:20 PM > > To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > > Subject: [bikeqld] Latest on lights > > > > Hi all, > > > > What do folk around here use for decent road headlights these days? I've > > been disappointed in a series of Cateyes that I've been using the last few > > years (an EL220, 320 then 530), all of which have developed problems with > > their connections and none of which I've been able to fix to be > > sufficiently reliable. > > > > I'm wondering whether I would be better served by a rechargeable lithium > > ion system and, given how fast they have been improving in recent years, > > what the best options are at the moment. Ayup is attractive by virtue of > > being local, but I haven't heard as much about them in the last couple of > > years - are they still competitive? Something cheaper would be nice but > > not if it means mediocre reliability or longevity. > > > > A non-rechargeable light is still an option too - not having to recharge > > regularly and not having poor battery life after a few years are definite > > advantages. Being able to remove it easily (often when parking somewhere > > insecure or occasionally to swap between bikes) is also a significant > > criterion. > > > > Any suggestions, tips, recommendations, observations, etc? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > bikeqld mailing list > > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > bikeqld mailing list > > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > > > > End of bikeqld Digest, Vol 54, Issue 13 > > *************************************** > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a great deal on your next car. 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