From cbarham at pobox.com Sun Nov 1 02:36:26 2009 From: cbarham at pobox.com (Chris Barham) Date: Sun Nov 1 02:36:41 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Green BAZ ??? Where ...? In-Reply-To: <20091029235540.GSWR9934.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20091029235540.GSWR9934.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <375e8d880911010136v26a936faq87f11b406477c4f1@mail.gmail.com> So it's not a BAZ - maybe it's a "copenhagen style bike contraflow facility"? See here on bq page for a pic and explanation: http://www.bq.org.au/ Here's some pics of the green bike lane, but as you say, that's not a BAZ... http://picasaweb.google.com.au/bloved64/KurilpaBridgeOpening Chris On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Michael Yeates wrote: > Some will be aware of a BQ - UQ survey on cycling and health ... it is > worth supporting if the info is made widely available. > > http://pacer.hms.uq.edu.au/survey/index.php?sid=17615&lang=en > > However I was intrigued (to say the least) when I came across the following > very confusing description in amongst some question options ... Using > designated on-road bike lanes, such as the bicycle awareness lanes painted > green On the road (no bicycle lanes) Other Surely the BFZ > BAZ hasn't had > yet another change ... the BAZ was NEVER a "lane" and NEVER a "designated > lane" ... indeed EXACTLY the opposite ...! > > So what exactly is "painted green" ... has the BIKE symbol changed from > yellow to green ? > > Where is there an example of this facility? > > Or, given it seems reasonable to expect a cycling advocacy organisation to > be precise and accurate, is this another case of increasing community > acceptance (or tolerance) of organisations failing to ensure quality ... or > put another way,"due diligence" or QA ie "quality assurance" ? > > It is a simple question of being correct and therefore reliably informative > ... or not and therefore furthering confusion and/or misunderstanding. > > MY................................. > > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > -- ------------------------------------------------- Christopher Barham cbarham@pobox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091101/86a0ae3f/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Sun Nov 1 04:30:04 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Sun Nov 1 04:30:34 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Green BAZ ??? Where ...? In-Reply-To: <375e8d880911010136v26a936faq87f11b406477c4f1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20091029235540.GSWR9934.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <375e8d880911010136v26a936faq87f11b406477c4f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091101102958.UYGG1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Exactly ... Other questions include whether these are "bike lanes" from a legal point of view ... with some further points beyond that ... MY............... At 06:36 PM 1/11/2009, Chris Barham wrote: >So it's not a BAZ - maybe it's a "copenhagen style bike contraflow >facility"? See here on bq page for a pic and explanation: >http://www.bq.org.au/ >Here's some pics of the green bike lane, but as you say, that's not a BAZ... >http://picasaweb.google.com.au/bloved64/KurilpaBridgeOpening >Chris > >On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Michael Yeates ><michael@yeatesit.biz> wrote: >Some will be aware of a BQ - UQ survey on cycling and health ... it >is worth supporting if the info is made widely available. > >http://pacer.hms.uq.edu.au/survey/index.php?sid=17615&lang=en > >However I was intrigued (to say the least) when I came across the >following very confusing description in amongst some question options ... >Using designated on-road bike lanes, such as the bicycle awareness >lanes painted green >On the road (no bicycle lanes) >Other >Surely the BFZ > BAZ hasn't had yet another change ... the BAZ was >NEVER a "lane" and NEVER a "designated lane" ... indeed EXACTLY the >opposite ...! > >So what exactly is "painted green" ... has the BIKE symbol changed >from yellow to green ? > >Where is there an example of this facility? > >Or, given it seems reasonable to expect a cycling advocacy >organisation to be precise and accurate, is this another case of >increasing community acceptance (or tolerance) of organisations >failing to ensure quality ... or put another way,"due diligence" or >QA ie "quality assurance" ? > >It is a simple question of being correct and therefore reliably >informative ... or not and therefore furthering confusion and/or >misunderstanding. > >MY................................. > > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > > > >-- >------------------------------------------------- >Christopher Barham >cbarham@pobox.com > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.40/2471 - Release Date: >10/31/09 17:53:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091101/0c5caeed/attachment.htm From xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au Sun Nov 1 04:36:26 2009 From: xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au (mich rolling) Date: Sun Nov 1 04:36:40 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Where is the Bowen Hills Landbridge to be? Message-ID: <687659.96725.qm@web44813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Ok, I have done up three possible routes for a cyclist from Toombull heading through the Bowen Hills area to the city. They are the proposed Lutwyche Rd landbridge through Northey Park and the back of Herston along O'Connell Tce and Bowen Bridge Road near the little park in front of the Royal Brisbane Hospital a dogleg route through the redeveloped RNA showgrounds crossing the recently built but not opened tunnel under Bowen Bridge road into sideshow alley (this is based on desire lines shown in the RNA redevelopment scheme newsletter 1.) 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Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From michael at yeatesit.biz Mon Nov 2 18:53:13 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Mon Nov 2 18:53:10 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Safe Routes to School ...USA Message-ID: <20091103005256.MUUG7394.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Hi ... For those interested, a reasonable summary of SRTS activity in the USA ... and some ideas for what we could be doing here ... and how ... if only ... http://www.tfhrc.gov/pubrds/09julaug/01.htm Also for those interested in the fact the USA only kills around 35,000 people on the roads each year (or for others who might view such a fatality outcome as both totally unacceptable and clear evidence of a system in its death throes) ... the article on new intersection designs is also worth a look ... "Public Roads" July/August 2009 MY................................................... From akayani at aapt.net.au Mon Nov 2 20:52:14 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Mon Nov 2 20:52:27 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Safe Routes to School ...USA In-Reply-To: <20091103005256.MUUG7394.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20091103005256.MUUG7394.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <02792B21DD394224B2C4C8A3E2E27241@maud> I noticed a couple of things in the US that worked. 1. If you drove over 75 MPH in a 60 MPH zone that you get an instant go to jail card, hence on main highways everyone drives at exactly 74 MPH. 2. If you speed through road works the fines were automatically trebled. So no one speeds through road works. 3. Contrary to TV the US is seriously under policed. 4. Bigger cars are safer. 5. Much more involved community at all levels. More likely to go to church, attend a re-enactment of a historic event. generally more participatory. As far as general safety goes I doubt if they are ahead of Australian. (Depending on the state) I noticed road signs on timber stakes, traffic signals suspended on cables, steel bridges which appeared not to have been given a coat of paint in 15 years, some right scary centre turn lanes... all the sort of things you would expect to see in a country running out of cash. Or where they just don't pay enough tax. Although each State is at a different stage of implementation, the fact that more than 5,200 schools in all 50 States are participating and $355.2 million in Federal funds have been committed to projects attests to the nationwide reach of the SRTS program. That would equal about $20 million here with population adjustment. That doesn't sound impossible. This is the program's site http://www.saferoutesinfo.org It's a good model and easy to 'Australianise'. http://www.saferoutesinfo.org/guide/encouragement/index.cfm Encouragement strategies are about having fun; they generate excitement and interest in walking and bicycling. Special events, mileage clubs, contests and ongoing activities all provide ways for parents and children to discover, or rediscover, that walking and bicycling are doable and a lot of fun. Good spotting, you should send it off to the Federal Minister. Yani -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Michael Yeates Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2009 10:53 AM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Safe Routes to School ...USA Hi ... For those interested, a reasonable summary of SRTS activity in the USA ... and some ideas for what we could be doing here ... and how ... if only ... http://www.tfhrc.gov/pubrds/09julaug/01.htm Also for those interested in the fact the USA only kills around 35,000 people on the roads each year (or for others who might view such a fatality outcome as both totally unacceptable and clear evidence of a system in its death throes) ... the article on new intersection designs is also worth a look ... "Public Roads" July/August 2009 MY................................................... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From matt at people.net.au Wed Nov 4 15:54:29 2009 From: matt at people.net.au (Matt) Date: Wed Nov 4 15:54:37 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] (no subject) Message-ID: <3635.1257371669@people.net.au> Hello All! I've just been looking at different types of saddles lately as it is getting harder for me to ride any distance (car crash many years ago - spinal injury - that sort of thing....) and I've been looking at the Spongy Wonder saddle (http://www.spongywonder.com/) [1] and another called RealSeat (http://www.realseat.com/) [2] I would suggest that the latter isn't allowable under the rules of Audax but has anyone used either of these or know of another that is similar that helps to take the pressure off one's back and "the boys"? Thanks in advance for any info shared. Links: ------ [1] http://www.spongywonder.com/) [2] http://www.realseat.com/) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:47:03 +1100 >Subject: Re: [Cmass-Sydney] responses to poor behaviour > >Interesting article in UK Guardian tonight > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/green-living-blog/2009/nov/04/cyc ling > >Petition underway to legally set 3 foot minimum overtaking clearance around >bicycles, discussion that this is not sufficient but is it better than >nothing or should they strive for more. _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Wed Nov 4 22:39:14 2009 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Wed Nov 4 22:39:26 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Cycle safety: reducing the crash risk Message-ID: New report from NZ. http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/research/reports/389.pdf R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091105/3f5be1b5/attachment.htm From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Thu Nov 5 15:31:08 2009 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Thu Nov 5 15:31:19 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Tank St bridge drive way Message-ID: <323926.4868.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi all, I got a letter back from BCC regarding the driveway on Tank St which intersects the bikeway. Apparently there are signs to warn cyclists and cars. But I think the bike signs are confusing because a motorists would think they are talking about bikes on Tank St itself not the bikeway parallel to Tank St. There are no explicit signs saying that to beware of bikes if cars turn into the driveway. What do you all think? Regards, Anthony Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091105/bd6c0c78/attachment.htm From gsfergus at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 5 17:21:29 2009 From: gsfergus at optusnet.com.au (Glen Fergus) Date: Thu Nov 5 17:21:38 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Tank St bridge drive way In-Reply-To: <323926.4868.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <323926.4868.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0EB2EB87545146698CFEB474041728AD@golder.gds> A totally crap answer. Modern safety theory holds that any design which relies on warning signs for primary safety is a poor design. Maybe even a negligent design, if the the hazard is severe. Google "safety in design". There is a strong move afoot to formalise this stuff. G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091106/3d8fe6f9/attachment.htm From pharmer_kim at hotmail.com Thu Nov 5 21:51:27 2009 From: pharmer_kim at hotmail.com (kim) Date: Thu Nov 5 21:52:55 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Green BAZ ??? Where ...? In-Reply-To: <20091029235540.GSWR9934.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20091029235540.GSWR9934.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <889034.74187.qm@web44814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> http://www.ulda.qld.gov.au/_dbase_upl/BHDSPrecincts2-3v2.pdf The ULDA (means something in jargon to planners, I think it is the state gov preferred plan before developers get to have conversations with governments to get the public bits reduced) for the RNA zone 2a Showgrounds calls for (page 28, Section 3, Precinct 2a): 10m wide active transport corridor connecting O'Connell Tce to Bowen Bridge Road (the SUP cycleway? behind Bowen Park? , O'Connell Tce to Gregory Tce and Improved passive oversight of Bowen Park Up to 4m widening of O'Connell Tce (to accomodate busway & cyclists/peds) This could mean a 10m wide ped/cycleway along the RNA side of Bowen Park (there is no mention of retaining the RNA wall at this location which is probably significant as the RNA walls on Gregory Terrace are explicitly mentioned for retention. Plans for the Bowen Hills Rail station area also call for improved ped/cycle connections in the area of Abbotsford Rd. This could mean the SUP continued over Abbotsford Road in a bridge (like that already over the rail line). __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/ From michael at yeatesit.biz Sun Nov 8 07:06:13 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Sun Nov 8 07:06:19 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Where is the Bowen Hills Landbridge to be? In-Reply-To: <889034.74187.qm@web44814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <889034.74187.qm@web44814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091108130602.WWYU24930.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Hi Mich ... ULDA is yet another "strange" government created "agency" see http://www.ulda.qld.gov.au/01_cms/details.asp?ID=142 or http://www.ulda.qld.gov.au/01_cms/details.asp?ID=1 Most likely "designed" to give developers assistance ... You could try emailing ULDA for advice as walking and cycling would seem the obvious means of mobility in such a small area so close to rail etc .. but see http://www.ulda.qld.gov.au/01_cms/details.asp?ID=142 ...I'd expect it will be yet another token reference to cycling ... as with Clem 7 etc ... MY................ At 09:26 PM 8/11/2009, you wrote: >http://www.ulda.qld.gov.au/_dbase_upl/BHDSPrecincts2-3v2.pdf > >The ULDA (means something in jargon to planners, I think it is the >state gov preferred plan before developers get to have conversations >with governments to get the public bits reduced) for the RNA zone 2a >Showgrounds calls for (page 28, Section 3, Precinct 2a): >10m wide active transport corridor connecting O'Connell Tce to Bowen >Bridge Road (the SUP cycleway? behind Bowen Park? >, O'Connell Tce to Gregory Tce and >Improved passive oversight of Bowen Park >Up to 4m widening of O'Connell Tce (to accomodate busway & cyclists/peds) > >This could mean a 10m wide ped/cycleway along the RNA side of Bowen >Park (there is no mention of retaining the RNA wall at this location >which is probably significant as the RNA walls on Gregory Terrace >are explicitly mentioned for retention. > >Plans for the Bowen Hills Rail station area also call for improved >ped/cycle connections in the area of Abbotsford Rd. This could mean >the SUP continued over Abbotsford Road in a bridge (like that >already over the rail line). > > > >__________________________________________________________________________________ >Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. >Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/ > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.53/2487 - Release Date: >11/08/09 05:39:00 From xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au Sun Nov 8 09:45:14 2009 From: xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au (mich rolling) Date: Sun Nov 8 09:45:46 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Where is the Bowen Hills Landbridge to be? Message-ID: <718802.19510.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks Michael Nothing wrong with helping developers. It IS wrong to help developers at the expense of the general populace. An initial perusal of the development amendment links shows in Map 6: A bikeway already exists along the same alignment as the ICB tunnel from O'Connell Tce to and crossing Bowen HIlls Road adjacent to the railway line. As this bike route cannot be in the tunnel (?) it must be above ground. It does not exist. The error was apparent in the initial plans and BCC planning was alerted to that error. That the error persists shows how little care actually goes into the planning document. Similarly the ICB shoulder link from Abbotsford Road to Campbell St has been gone for three years. You would think that a planner would have noticed? The new bikeway linking Campbell St/O'Connell Tce/Bowen Hills Road and the CBD bikeway enters O'Connell Tce through a right angle right turn, turns into Lutwyche Road on a left right angle into a pedestrian crossing, passes between the RBH and Bowen Park on what is now the footpath (forcing cyclists to cross and paralell pedestrians wanting to enter the park) until another right hand turn to cross Bowen Hills Road at the existing lights (crossing Bowen Hills Road on light set 1, Herston Road on light set 2 and using the pedestrian crossing on the Gilchrist Av sliproad). So to move a nett 365m from the intersection of Campbell St/O'Connell Tce to the ICB bikeway west of Bowen Hills Road a cyclist has to negotiate four road crossings, three sets of lights and three right angle turns. A direct crossing of O'Connell Tce onto an SUP along the alignment of the non-existent 'existing' bike path crossig UNDER Bowen Bridge Road using the existing tunnel would cut this to no right angle turns and one road crossing. Too difficult. The rest of the document goes into la la land talking about community use of the area under and above spaghetti junction where the ICB meets Clem7. Imagine the liability issues of building over the junction? BrisConn would need trucks to carry the insurance bond to the bank. __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/ From michael at yeatesit.biz Tue Nov 10 20:49:53 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Tue Nov 10 20:49:54 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: [Cmass-Sydney] CARL SCULLY - in Sydney Morning Herald Message-ID: <20091111024939.OKGI17290.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Suggestion ...? If you cycle on the road, don't read this while eating your lunch ...! And if you have some spare time, so far there are only 167 responses to "enjoy" ... MY............. Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:57:54 -0800 (PST) >To: cmass-sydney@lists.bikesarefun.org >Subject: [Cmass-Sydney] CARL SCULLY - in Sydney Morning Herald > >Dear Cyclists, > >Carl Scully, former NSW Roads Minister, gets everything wrong then >blames the cyclists. > >http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/cyclists-do-not-have-the-same-rights-as-motorists-on-roads-20091111-i7wf.html?autostart=1 From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Wed Nov 11 16:42:47 2009 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Wed Nov 11 16:43:07 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Cheap speedo for MTB? Message-ID: <466208.17430.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi all, With those big fat front shocks, could someone please recommend a cheap speedo for MTBs? Thank you Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091111/41f146ea/attachment.htm From pharmer_kim at hotmail.com Wed Nov 11 17:27:48 2009 From: pharmer_kim at hotmail.com (kim) Date: Wed Nov 11 17:29:16 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Cheap speedo for MTB? In-Reply-To: <466208.17430.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <466208.17430.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091112/2e7730de/attachment.htm From stephen.viller at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 17:48:29 2009 From: stephen.viller at gmail.com (Stephen Viller) Date: Wed Nov 11 17:48:49 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Cheap speedo for MTB? In-Reply-To: References: <466208.17430.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi there, The thing I found tricky wasn't so much the diameter of the shocks, but the extra distance between the sensor on the shock leg and the magnet/whatever mounted on a spoke. I had to fit the sensor much closer to the axle than I have it on my road bike. I'm using a Sigma Targa on my mountain bike because it had extra thick sensor wire so less likely to snap of caught on stuff off-road. Don't think they sell it any more though. Sigma use o-ring -like rubber bands to fit computer & sensor to bike, so more scope for dealing with different tube widths, but you can always replace with zip-ties if you want extra security. Stephen. On 12/11/2009, at 9:27 AM, kim wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > Many of the cheaper units use a cable tie strap arrangement to mount > the magnetic sensor on the fork, so as long as that strap is long > enough it should go around your fork tubes ok. Probably pretty easy > to strap it yourself if the provided means were not long enough tho. > The cheapest ones around town are probably about $15 or so at Kmart > or Target for just the basic functions and most of the bike shops > would have some sort of basic unit for maybe $20 and a few. Not much > to them at the low end $ so probably not much difference in quality. > Look for a strong clip on the display unit as some just fall off in > transit. If you are ok with using the eBay you can plug in "bicycle > speedometer" and get a couple of pages of cheap units, most will get > posted from Hong Kong. You are then looking at $5 all up with > postage. You can get a few more features, like real time clocks, > service interval alarms, cadence, temperature etc. for about $20 if > you need. There wireless versions are not much more so you don't > have to worry about routing the wire up to the handlebar unit. > cheers > k > > Anthony Lee wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> With those big fat front shocks, could someone please recommend a >> cheap speedo for MTBs? >> >> Thank you >> >> Anthony Lee >> The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? >> ........-- __o >> ....-- _ \<,_ >> ........(_) / (_) >> E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au >> >> >> Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter >> now. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bikeqld mailing list >> >> bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >> >> This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. >> > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From akayani at aapt.net.au Sat Nov 14 00:26:50 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Sat Nov 14 00:27:03 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] websites In-Reply-To: References: <466208.17430.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59FD9D7913524453912F970AB3DB32DB@maud> http://btawa.org.au/2009/10/30/bicycle-photo-competition/ The site production was my lecturer at uni. There might be some ideas in there for us. Yani From pharmer_kim at hotmail.com Sat Nov 14 02:58:52 2009 From: pharmer_kim at hotmail.com (kim) Date: Sat Nov 14 03:00:22 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] websites In-Reply-To: <59FD9D7913524453912F970AB3DB32DB@maud> References: <466208.17430.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <59FD9D7913524453912F970AB3DB32DB@maud> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091114/b5c583ef/attachment.htm From pharmer_kim at hotmail.com Sat Nov 14 03:26:15 2009 From: pharmer_kim at hotmail.com (kim) Date: Sat Nov 14 03:27:43 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Kurillpa know how... Message-ID: So how does one get from West End onto the Centennial Bikeway at North Quay using the new bridge? I knew it was going to be a bit round about but really, it seems impossible without getting onto the footpath somewhere. The yellow brick road, or in this case the green pavement paint road seems to get you to the KGS bike parking station and marginally to the Roma St Parklands but nowhere else. If you come off the bridge and head up Tank St to George St, what's the deal with turning left to go down George St to then go left again down Herschel or Makerston St to get to the bikeway via the BAZ's on those streets? It would seem that you are to turn left when you get the green left turn arrow at George St but there are also left turning cars in the Tank St car lane adjacent to the bike lane which is dangerous as a turning cyclist will be slow to get up to speed and a car rushing up Tank St to catch the green arrow onto George St may not expect traffic on George St. So when you get down to North Quay you need to pedal all the way back up to Adelaide St to be able to use the ride across facility there. The Makerston St and Herschel St ramps to the bikeway are pedestrian accessible only via the pedestrian crossings. You can't ride up George St the other way, directly to Adelaide St as Adelaide St only allows a left turn at North Quay and the bike ride over is on the other side of Adelaide St. If you use the Vic Bridge, you are no better off. It seems like the Goodwill Bridge is the only connection from that side of town. Or is there some secret route I am missing? k From b.wagner at ozemail.com.au Tue Nov 17 02:09:35 2009 From: b.wagner at ozemail.com.au (Bob Wagner) Date: Tue Nov 17 02:09:51 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Miskin St/ Milton Road Roundabout crossing Message-ID: <8F182539-F5F1-44A3-B317-A795F5B0D3FF@ozemail.com.au> I am wondering if there is a simple solution to this intersection. Could bikes coming from Sylvan road stay on the road on milton road then swing up miskin Street and across into the bike/bus green lane? It is a pretty poor excuse for a crossing so close to the entry of the western bike way and Mt Cootha. Who do we contact with ideas? Bob Wagner b.wagner@ozemail.com.au b.wagner@staidan.qld.edu.au From indocc at ozemail.com.au Tue Nov 17 07:56:08 2009 From: indocc at ozemail.com.au (colin freestone) Date: Tue Nov 17 07:56:26 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Miskin St/ Milton Road Roundabout crossing In-Reply-To: <8F182539-F5F1-44A3-B317-A795F5B0D3FF@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: Banana benders, need 1 - 2 of you to join me to Tana Toraja where the Dead are more important than the Living. Feb 2010. Details @ http://www.cycleindonesia.com.au/toraja/. Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091118/7f162b39/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Tue Nov 17 17:00:38 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Tue Nov 17 17:00:36 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Miskin St/ Milton Road Roundabout crossing In-Reply-To: <8F182539-F5F1-44A3-B317-A795F5B0D3FF@ozemail.com.au> References: <8F182539-F5F1-44A3-B317-A795F5B0D3FF@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <20091117230020.HZGI1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Hi Bob and all ... Good question ... similar questions are often asked AFTER we get to see the facilities that are quite deliberately (and expertly?) planned for us ... at great cost ...! [ Another recent and relevant example is the poor connection of the multi-million dollar Kurilpa Bridge into the road system on the northern side. ] In fact, quite a few cyclists do continue cycling on Milton Road from Sylvan intersection ... either up Miskin or stay on the road (Mt Coot-tha Road) to Dean Street ... so the more that do it, the better ... Although congested at peaks, this is probably Milton Road and the roundabout at their safest ... if proper care is taken ... BUT watch out for motorbikes getting through the congested traffic. As ALWAYS, crossing the path of possible left turning vehicles (as they exit into Miskin) ALWAYS requires care ... and they won't be looking for cyclists ...! However once in the traffic stream why not continue through past the main squeeze and threat points which are in the roundabout and continue on Mt Coot-tha Road ... it is probably just as "easy" perhaps easier to go through to Dean Street to access the crossing into the bikepath ... This avoids the awkward climb up Miskin AND crossing across the two-into-one traffic lane ... AND more importantly, there is likely to be much less through traffic on Dean than on Miskin. BUT as neither of the crossings is designed (as arguably they should all be) to provide a sheltered right turn slot (ie same principle as is provided for right turning cars) care is needed if oncoming cars ... or buses ...! And the refuges are certainly not designed for a sharp right turn through the refuge ... The refuges do provide some "shelter" from oncoming traffic as well as a spot to stop if necessary without blocking following traffic ... but the concrete islands also mean a short distance of "wrong way" cycling ... not that that stops it happening here or most other places where the facility isn't appropriate ...! Another alternative/compromise is to go past Miskin on the road .... but then turn left and travel through the Park'n'Ride to the Dean Street crossing ... MY................. At 06:09 PM 17/11/2009, Bob Wagner wrote: >I am wondering if there is a simple solution to this intersection. >Could bikes coming from Sylvan road stay on the road on milton road >then swing up miskin Street and across into the bike/bus green lane? > >It is a pretty poor excuse for a crossing so close to the entry of the >western bike way and Mt Cootha. > >Who do we contact with ideas? > > >Bob Wagner >b.wagner@ozemail.com.au >b.wagner@staidan.qld.edu.au > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.707 / Virus Database: 270.14.69/2508 - Release Date: >11/17/09 17:40:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091118/38d88c25/attachment.htm From peter.whittle at qut.edu.au Thu Nov 19 00:43:42 2009 From: peter.whittle at qut.edu.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Thu Nov 19 00:43:59 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Magpies Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wHreVKgOT4 Are magpies after the helmet, not the rider? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091119/4358a238/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Mon Nov 23 19:02:19 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Mon Nov 23 19:02:08 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] why can't they apply this technology for cyclists ... Message-ID: <20091124010150.JSPA1743.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> The US Journal "Public Roads" < www.tfhrc.gov > often has articles of interest ... The September-October issue has several ... which if adapted would be very useful for cyclists ... sadly it seems, pedestrians and wildlife (and motorists) are getting priority ...! Might be OK for moose and elk etc, but would kangaroos learn to jump electric grids? Interesting too that places like Phoenix have light rail ... in that case, 32 kms ...! MY.................. From michael at yeatesit.biz Tue Nov 24 21:49:44 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Tue Nov 24 21:49:21 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] interesting ...? Message-ID: <20091125034907.PXHK5306.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> From CAN ... Interesting and excellent summary with somewhat humorous titles ... eg ... http://can.org.nz/system/files/Design-0408-Hierarchy.pdf found at http://can.org.nz/category/resource-type/technical-articles MY.................... From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Wed Nov 25 05:12:59 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Wed Nov 25 05:13:23 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] AdsHeaven Message-ID: <20091125210321.O1557@singha.lister.id.au> Hi Yani et al, I spotted this well obstructed footpath a couple of weeks ago: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:Chiang_Mai_footpath.jpg Makes Brisbane footpaths look easy to navigate! ;-) http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:AdsHell1.JPG Cheers, Ian From pharmer_kim at hotmail.com Wed Nov 25 06:42:29 2009 From: pharmer_kim at hotmail.com (kim) Date: Wed Nov 25 06:44:26 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Miskin St/ Milton Road Roundabout crossing In-Reply-To: <8F182539-F5F1-44A3-B317-A795F5B0D3FF@ozemail.com.au> References: <8F182539-F5F1-44A3-B317-A795F5B0D3FF@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I think the risks there are the squeeze you get on milton road just before the left onto Miskin. There is the standard kink in the road to slow traffic down entering the roundabout and most traffic (especially the long trucks) iron out this kink by going far to the left, you can witness the state of the kerb there as a testimony to this. This squeeze on the motorists blind side is pretty risky for cyclists. Once you turn onto Miskin you don't get to see what is behind you coming off the roundabout and they do come off fast there. You then have to move diagonally across miskin to the refuge or perhaps into the bus lane if you get the break in the traffic coming down miskin. I think you have a better chance crossing miskin directly, its probably more likely that the motorists would be expecting it that way too. You probably get a faster run along the shared path from Sylvan than getting onto Milton Rd during the afternnoon peak anyway. If you still prefer the milton rd option I would suggest that you continue up to dean st and skip the miskin crossing as that stretch in my view is safer. The journey through the roundabout is not that bad if you don't get left turning motorists from milton rd onto miskin. I did try that for a while but it was that squeeze before the roundabout that put me off and I did not fancy taking the lane at that point on milton rd. If you turn into the park and ride car park between miskin and dean, it is now a bit dubious about where the bikes can ride as you are faced with no entry signs now and seemingly no exemption for bikes. The bike bits in that area are council but MR does control the first 50m up the adjoining roads so in theory council has to get the nod from MR to change anything. I doubt very much that they actually do that tho when you look at what they did when they put down a traffic calming feature at the bike crossing point and then ripped it up. I am sure MR would not have give the nod for that. The fact that the shared path is all but blocked on the corner there now and has been that way for several weeks does not make things any easier for cyclists but it does not seem to bother Council too much. cheers k Bob Wagner wrote: > I am wondering if there is a simple solution to this intersection. > Could bikes coming from Sylvan road stay on the road on milton road > then swing up miskin Street and across into the bike/bus green lane? > > It is a pretty poor excuse for a crossing so close to the entry of the > western bike way and Mt Cootha. > > Who do we contact with ideas? > > > Bob Wagner > b.wagner@ozemail.com.au > b.wagner@staidan.qld.edu.au > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Wed Nov 25 09:06:29 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Wed Nov 25 09:07:18 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Miskin St/ Milton Road Roundabout crossing In-Reply-To: <8F182539-F5F1-44A3-B317-A795F5B0D3FF@ozemail.com.au> References: <8F182539-F5F1-44A3-B317-A795F5B0D3FF@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <20091126001304.X1557@singha.lister.id.au> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, Bob Wagner wrote: > I am wondering if there is a simple solution to this intersection. Could > bikes coming from Sylvan road stay on the road on milton road then swing up > miskin Street and across into the bike/bus green lane? Hi Bob, I think Michael Yeates suggested that idea on this list a few years back, but I personally prefer to stay on the path at that point. As Kim mentioned, peak traffic on even that short section of Milton Rd just isn't that appealing. It's not even because of safety concerns - you just get stuck in the traffic. It might be more attractive if somebody were willing to spend a few dollars and shift around some concrete and bitumen - sacrificing some grass to continue the bike lane from Sylvan Rd around on Milton Rd up to the roundabout (and ideally through to Dean St) would make life a lot easier. The only other issue I can see is that it would need to be protected (by a blob of concrete) at the roundabout entrance and exit in order to stop motor vehicles cutting across it. This idea is briefly mentioned near the end of the Miskin St crossing section of this wiki page, along with a few others: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/North_Toowong_corridor#Crossing_of_Miskin_Street > It is a pretty poor excuse for a crossing so close to the entry of the > western bike way and Mt Cootha. It is. > Who do we contact with ideas? Telling us (as you have done with this one) is a good first step. I'm pretty keen to have them go into the above document too, so that it can cover all the good ideas we can come up with collectively. But then comes the hard bit: telling people who can actually do something about it. It's extra difficult because Brisbane City Council and Main Roads have overlapping responsibility there and neither is inclined to do anything that might negatively affect motorists, nor cost any real money. The roundabout itself (under Main Roads' control) is particularly notorious, and BCC weren't willing to touch it even for the multi-billion dollar Northern Link tunnel. The best thing is probably to ignore such issues, and throw your ideas enthusiastically at both organisations, while of course making it clear that the current situation is terribly unsafe and a major barier on an important link: http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:BASE::pc=PC_1 http://www.mainroads.qld.gov.au/en/Contact-us.aspx ...and, when you don't get any joy there, start asking some politicians: http://www.petermatic.com.au/contact.php http://www.campbellnewman.com.au/contact-campbell.html http://www.andrewfrasermp.com/01_cms/details.asp?ID=3 http://www.qgd.qld.gov.au/roa-minister.html If you do, keep us in the loop! This has been a pet issue of mine for a while, so let me know if you'd like some more information. Cheers, Ian From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Wed Nov 25 18:41:39 2009 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Wed Nov 25 18:42:04 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] AdsHeaven In-Reply-To: <20091125210321.O1557@singha.lister.id.au> References: <20091125210321.O1557@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <152951.34615.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> But Ian that is not a fair comparison, don't you know? All Asians are good kung fu experts who will just leap over such obstacles :-). Anthony Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ From: Ian Lister To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 9:12:59 PM Subject: [bikeqld] AdsHeaven Hi Yani et al, I spotted this well obstructed footpath a couple of weeks ago: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:Chiang_Mai_footpath.jpg Makes Brisbane footpaths look easy to navigate! ;-) http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:AdsHell1.JPG Cheers, Ian _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. 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From pmgough at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 20:38:46 2009 From: pmgough at gmail.com (Peter Gough) Date: Wed Nov 25 20:38:59 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] AdsHeaven In-Reply-To: <152951.34615.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20091125210321.O1557@singha.lister.id.au> <152951.34615.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On a bike? I'd like to see that in a Jackie Chan movie! 2009/11/26 Anthony Lee > But Ian that is not a fair comparison, don't you know? > All Asians are good kung fu experts who will just leap over such obstacles > :-). > > Anthony > > Anthony Lee > The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? > ........-- __o > ....-- _ \<,_ > ........(_) / (_) > E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ian Lister > *To:* bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > *Sent:* Wed, 25 November, 2009 9:12:59 PM > *Subject:* [bikeqld] AdsHeaven > > Hi Yani et al, > > I spotted this well obstructed footpath a couple of weeks ago: > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:Chiang_Mai_footpath.jpg > > Makes Brisbane footpaths look easy to navigate! ;-) > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:AdsHell1.JPG > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > ------------------------------ > Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now > . > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091126/7591d367/attachment.htm From akayani at aapt.net.au Wed Nov 25 23:48:40 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Wed Nov 25 23:48:58 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] AdsHeaven In-Reply-To: References: <20091125210321.O1557@singha.lister.id.au><152951.34615.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D5CF3221DB946B883F3BCD91A67A5EC@maud> Kelvin Grove, 200 meters down from Kentucky Fried there is one just as bad. The worst of it is that it is just not necessary. But then nor is global warming, same difference. Yani _____ From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Gough Sent: Thursday, 26 November 2009 12:39 PM To: Anthony Lee Cc: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: Re: [bikeqld] AdsHeaven On a bike? I'd like to see that in a Jackie Chan movie! 2009/11/26 Anthony Lee But Ian that is not a fair comparison, don't you know? All Asians are good kung fu experts who will just leap over such obstacles :-). Anthony Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au _____ From: Ian Lister To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 9:12:59 PM Subject: [bikeqld] AdsHeaven Hi Yani et al, I spotted this well obstructed footpath a couple of weeks ago: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:Chiang_Mai_footpath.jpg Makes Brisbane footpaths look easy to navigate! ;-) http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:AdsHell1.JPG Cheers, Ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091126/6262b597/attachment.htm From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Thu Nov 26 16:29:07 2009 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Thu Nov 26 16:29:20 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] AdsHeaven In-Reply-To: References: <20091125210321.O1557@singha.lister.id.au> <152951.34615.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8050.72184.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Actually there is a 1987 movie call "You're my destiny" where Alan Tam did a number bicycle stunts. I have seen them on youtube. I think if you do a Google search you can find them. Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ From: Peter Gough To: Anthony Lee Cc: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Sent: Thu, 26 November, 2009 12:38:46 PM Subject: Re: [bikeqld] AdsHeaven On a bike? I'd like to see that in a Jackie Chan movie! 2009/11/26 Anthony Lee But Ian that is not a fair comparison, don't you know? >All Asians are good kung fu experts who will just leap over such obstacles :-). > >Anthony > > Anthony Lee >The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? >........-- __o >....-- _ \<,_ >........(_) / (_) >E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au > > > > > ________________________________ From: Ian Lister >To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 > 9:12:59 PM >Subject: [bikeqld] AdsHeaven > >Hi Yani et al, > >I spotted this well obstructed footpath a couple of weeks ago: > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:Chiang_Mai_footpath.jpg > >Makes Brisbane footpaths look easy to navigate! ;-) > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:AdsHell1.JPG > >Cheers, > >Ian > > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > >> > >________________________________ >Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. 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Tonight we celebrate the cycling revolution that's taking hold of our roads and altering our culture ? with material from the annual Bicycle Film Festival, tales of bike couriers, cycling activists, psychogeographers and unnamed chain-turners everywhere, prepare for a two wheeled wonderland edition. http://www.abc.net.au/rn/nightair/stories/2009/2727531.htm Michael _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Friends get your Flickr, Yelp, and Digg updates when they e-mail you. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_3:092010 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20091201/8257c777/attachment.htm From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Mon Nov 30 21:53:00 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Mon Nov 30 21:53:17 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Cyclists And Road users | Manners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091201134730.C1557@singha.lister.id.au> Ah, thanks Richard, I'd heard a news article (about the new NSW cycling "handbook") on the ABC yesterday but couldn't find a corresponding version of the article online to post here. Looks like said handbook is here: http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/usingroads/downloads/bicycle_riders_handbook.pdf The story I heard had a sound bite from Alex Unwin of BNSW supporting it, but I couldn't find any mention on their web site either. I haven't read through the actual handbook yet, but from what the article you posted says I won't be in a rush to. Cheers, Ian On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Richard Hockey wrote: > http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/we-need-to-b > e-nice-to-cyclistsand-play-nicely-20091201-k1hl.html > > > > R > > From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Mon Nov 30 22:39:21 2009 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Mon Nov 30 22:39:29 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] 9 Driving Habits that Most Annoy Cyclists Message-ID: http://www.sidiergo.com/blog/9-driving-habits-that-most-annoy-cyclists/ R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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