From admin at bikeqld.org.au Mon Jun 1 07:13:49 2009 From: admin at bikeqld.org.au (Ian Lister) Date: Mon Jun 1 07:14:11 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Mailing list name (and purpose) Message-ID: <20090601194034.M1377@singha.lister.id.au> Hi all, I'd like to get input from list members on the idea of renaming this mailing list. Although it has had the name "bikeqld" since its inception more than thirteen years ago there is arguably potential for the name to be confused with that of Bicycle Queensland, which has now gone by that name for more than ten years. This has been an ongoing irritation at BQ for quite some time, and I must admit I've found it awkward to talk about the list verbally without risking confusion with BQ. I don't think the risk of confusion is in either group's best interest. Given that BQ seems unlikely to change its name again in the foreseeable future, I think we should look at changing ours. What do others think? Should we choose a new name? Do you have any suggestions? While we're here, is this a good time to reconsider the purpose of the list, and perhaps adjust the list charter? Currently the list description is: > Bikeqld is an unmoderated mailing list for cyclists in Queensland. It's > designed to facilitate discussion about cycling related topics in > Queensland. Such topics may include discussions of policy and planning > issues, announcements of rides, local touring information and trip > reports etc. > > Announcements of the private sale of bicycle equipment is acceptable, > but no commercial use of this list will be tolerated. > > This list is not intended to subvert the various bicycle related > internet newsgroups - particularly aus.bicycle - but rather to > supplement them. Items of general interest should be posted to the > newsgroups (if you have access to them). Faster, more detailed responses > to specific questions, a slightly more private forum in which opinions > can be expressed with reduced fear of repercussion, and (mainly) a place > to carry on about cycling in Queensland far beyond what might be > considered "polite" in the general purpose newsgroups are some of the > benefits of the mailing list. > > This list is NOT affiliated in any way with Bicycle Queensland, although > you are strongly encouraged to consider joining that organisation too. - http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld That has been the description used more or less unchanged since 1996, and could probably at least do with some freshening. Perhaps it should indicate that the list is currently quite oriented towards advocacy? Perhaps we should try to be more focused on that? Perhaps we should try to be more diverse? Perhaps we should separate advocacy (or any other area) from the rest, and have two (or more) lists? Similarly, geographical coverage - we're pretty Brisbane centric but we do have list members from elsewhere in Queensland and even interstate. Perhaps we should narrow our focus, or perhaps we should broaden it? Perhaps we should just pack it all in and head over to Road Grime or MTB Dirt (or back to aus.bicycle)? If you've got some thoughts, please don't keep them to yourself. Send them on, either on-list or privately, and let's see if we can get some kind of rough consensus on where we'd like to go. Cheers, Ian bikeqld list admin From peter.whittle at qut.edu.au Mon Jun 1 10:56:53 2009 From: peter.whittle at qut.edu.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Mon Jun 1 10:57:17 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Mailing list name (and purpose) In-Reply-To: <20090601194034.M1377@singha.lister.id.au> References: <20090601194034.M1377@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE0752FCFD2B@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> Hi Ian I'm not too worried about the confusion - maybe it's good sometimes to be able to say, No, this is the Bikeqld where you can go feral ;) As to going to Roadgrime or MTBDirt, try getting a political discussion going there, and you'll be shut down in short order. They have a bigger uptake, but they refuse to be a forum for advocacy. Perhaps it would be good to take up Chris 'Malvern' Star's suggestion of getting a Brisbane version of Melbourne Cyclist going (http://www.melbournecyclist.com/ )? I understand the framework is all there and it just needs rebadging. I've no idea what is involved in running it, but Chris would let you know. Pete -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Ian Lister Sent: Monday, 1 June 2009 10:14 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Mailing list name (and purpose) Hi all, I'd like to get input from list members on the idea of renaming this mailing list. Although it has had the name "bikeqld" since its inception more than thirteen years ago there is arguably potential for the name to be confused with that of Bicycle Queensland, which has now gone by that name for more than ten years. This has been an ongoing irritation at BQ for quite some time, and I must admit I've found it awkward to talk about the list verbally without risking confusion with BQ. I don't think the risk of confusion is in either group's best interest. Given that BQ seems unlikely to change its name again in the foreseeable future, I think we should look at changing ours. What do others think? Should we choose a new name? Do you have any suggestions? While we're here, is this a good time to reconsider the purpose of the list, and perhaps adjust the list charter? Currently the list description is: > Bikeqld is an unmoderated mailing list for cyclists in Queensland. It's > designed to facilitate discussion about cycling related topics in > Queensland. Such topics may include discussions of policy and planning > issues, announcements of rides, local touring information and trip > reports etc. > > Announcements of the private sale of bicycle equipment is acceptable, > but no commercial use of this list will be tolerated. > > This list is not intended to subvert the various bicycle related > internet newsgroups - particularly aus.bicycle - but rather to > supplement them. Items of general interest should be posted to the > newsgroups (if you have access to them). Faster, more detailed responses > to specific questions, a slightly more private forum in which opinions > can be expressed with reduced fear of repercussion, and (mainly) a place > to carry on about cycling in Queensland far beyond what might be > considered "polite" in the general purpose newsgroups are some of the > benefits of the mailing list. > > This list is NOT affiliated in any way with Bicycle Queensland, although > you are strongly encouraged to consider joining that organisation too. - http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld That has been the description used more or less unchanged since 1996, and could probably at least do with some freshening. Perhaps it should indicate that the list is currently quite oriented towards advocacy? Perhaps we should try to be more focused on that? Perhaps we should try to be more diverse? Perhaps we should separate advocacy (or any other area) from the rest, and have two (or more) lists? Similarly, geographical coverage - we're pretty Brisbane centric but we do have list members from elsewhere in Queensland and even interstate. Perhaps we should narrow our focus, or perhaps we should broaden it? Perhaps we should just pack it all in and head over to Road Grime or MTB Dirt (or back to aus.bicycle)? If you've got some thoughts, please don't keep them to yourself. Send them on, either on-list or privately, and let's see if we can get some kind of rough consensus on where we'd like to go. Cheers, Ian bikeqld list admin _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From s.gard at qut.edu.au Mon Jun 1 18:49:10 2009 From: s.gard at qut.edu.au (Stephan Gard) Date: Mon Jun 1 18:54:32 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Mailing list name (and purpose) Message-ID: I agree with Pete, if we could in Brisbane have a web site in the likes or the Melbourne Cyclist site that would be fantastic. Stef Gard Lecturer::School of Design Faculty of Built Environment & Engineering Queensland University of Technology Phone::+61 7 3138 9008 From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Mon Jun 1 19:33:43 2009 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Mon Jun 1 19:34:22 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Queensland fuel subsidy to end, petrol cost to rise 8c | The Courier-Mail Message-ID: Hot news http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25573916-952,00.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090602/d7064e40/attachment.htm From akayani at aapt.net.au Mon Jun 1 19:52:02 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Mon Jun 1 19:52:10 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Mailing list name (and purpose) In-Reply-To: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE0752FCFD2B@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> References: <20090601194034.M1377@singha.lister.id.au> <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE0752FCFD2B@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <390890E744AA4E478FBDD98D83A348D9@maud> Humm I didn't mean to reply off list. "No, this is the Bikeqld where you can go feral ;)" YES we have had great discussions of many topics. To me at least it's feels like a group that can discuss any issue with good reasoning. I like that! http://www.melbournecyclist.com/ that looks like a CMS (Content Management System) I can't pick which one from the code. http://cmsmatrix.org/matrix I'd say... just use Drupal. If you use Drupal I can give you a hand as I know it inside out. It's about as good as they get. http://drupal.org Some CMSes are worth the effort to learn others just aren't worth any effort. Obama used Drupal, Sony use it... it's got a big following. Something like 500,000 sites. 1,000+ plug-in modules. I have a site I'm working on for a mate using Drupal http://handfoto.com And a uni report of about 8,000 words on why which is 80% finished which you can have a look at. Drupal will integrate the existing wiki. I think you hit a nail on the head with that line Pete. 'go feral' good USP. Not that we are at all feral, (mind you I could use a shave) but a USP that indicates independence and chaotic style works. Something that says you don't have to agree to discuss. 'go feral' makes no promise at all. Let BQ be a 'teacher's training school' for cycling etiquette and take themselves seriously. And you can change a USP if the mood of the group changes. http://drupal.org/project/modules?text=wiki Mediawiki auth bridge By anarcat on the 1st of April, 2009 This module provides single sign-in and user database integration for MediaWiki as slave of Drupal. It is set up so that users sign in to the Drupal site, and as a result they automatically become logged in to the wiki. User entries are still created in the wiki's user table and are kept up to date on each login with email and real name. This does not include content exchange or wiki parsing, for that, see the Mediawiki module. Anyway that should give you something to think about. Yani -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090602/4d9cb34c/attachment.htm From telstar at cfsmtb.net Mon Jun 1 20:41:14 2009 From: telstar at cfsmtb.net (telstar@cfsmtb.net) Date: Mon Jun 1 20:41:30 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Mailing list name (and purpose) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33883.58.170.192.232.1243906874.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> Not forgetting there's the very active Sydney cyclist sister site & the recent Adelaide Cyclist. http://www.sydneycyclist.com/ http://www.adelaidecyclists.com/ The site runs on Ning, you can make it as simple or as content rich as you like. DamienM is the guru to speak to, as he created SC and then MC after I wanted one too. ;) http://www.sydneycyclist.com/profile/DamianM http://about.ning.com/ cheers, Chris > I agree with Pete, if we could in Brisbane have a web site in the likes or > the Melbourne Cyclist site that would be fantastic. > > Stef Gard > > Lecturer::School of Design > Faculty of Built Environment & Engineering > Queensland University of Technology > Phone::+61 7 3138 9008 > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > -- ---------------------------------------- Don't get involved in partial problems, but always take flight to where there is a free view over the whole single great problem, even if this view is still not a clear one - Ludwig Wittgenstein http://cfsmtb.net http://www.woj.com.au http://www.ycat.org.au http://www.yarrabug.org/radio http://www.melbournecyclist.com ---------------------------------------- From michael at yeatesit.biz Mon Jun 1 21:35:00 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Mon Jun 1 21:36:38 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Mailing list name (and purpose) In-Reply-To: <20090601194034.M1377@singha.lister.id.au> References: <20090601194034.M1377@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <20090602023508.IOJK12625.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Thanks Ian (and Pete for his comments) ... Interesting points ... The use of the word "advocacy" implies if not emphasises a critical view which in itself is no bad thing ... indeed it seems that bikeqld is one place where there is considerable informed discussion that is potentially open to anyone in Queensland and beyond. But I would not suggest any real changes to the aims etc .. certainly not to further emphasise advocacy. But it is very important to maintain a somewhat critical site ... to deal with issues that are it seems are deemed "prickly" ie do not touch ... at least in public. But that is DEFINITELY NOT the only role for bikeqld ...! Be concerned if anybody says it is ...! Perhaps correctly given Queensland's politics, BQ is very politically sensitive AND very private indeed ... and despite its (implied if not explicit) claims to represent non-members, it does not make much if anything available to non-members ... as we know. The latest Queensland Cyclist has plenty of examples of promotion of cycling which is fine .. but if this is all that is needed, then presumably there is no need for critical advocacy ie that which puts a focus on what needs to be done ... or done better ... based on public discussion ... as on bikeqld. The same edition is almost devoid of "critical advocacy" except for what seemed to me to be praise for the 2.2m wide temporary path while the widening of the Bicentennial Bikeway is widened ... complete with rest stops with roofs etc etc ... but increasingly, NOT really a bikeway as it would seem most cyclists prefer to use it now ...! And it seemed from previous discussion about that project that few if any bikeqld people had been consulted about the proposal or even knew of any prior consultation. Presumably BQ was consulted ... and we can only assume it either (i) was in agreement or (ii) was ignored. both would seem grounds for maintaining a public "critical advocacy" ? The basic problem with taking up Chris' Melbourne and Sydney models which are excellent albeit not quite as simple and user friendly (although a lot more is involved), is that "bikeqld" is needed ... and is read ... throughout Queensland. This is really important from an advocacy perspective in Queensland given we have so many large towns and cities (and regional offices of QT and MR with often quite different "local" attitudes to cycling) compared to Victoria .... AND our towns and cities are so far apart. So "bikeqld" would in my view need to remain with a name that puts a focus on Queensland not Brisbane or even SEQ ... thus it would become the equivalent of Chris' model but with a Queensland name and target ... However BQ already has "Queensland Cyclist" ... and qldcyclist is nowhere near as neat as bikeqld ... bikeqld sums it up ...! Also, it would seem bikeqld (based on Ian's history) predated BQ which was known as BIQ ...! As for the "need for freshening up", although it might be right (and presumably can apply to bikeqld anyway), that seems to be highly subjective, a bit too "flavour of the month/year" and a bit too like the politicians ... who seem to keep changing their strategies, plans, policies etc not because they have been completed, but it seems mainly so they can announce the new ones ... even though there really isn't any demonstrated need to do so ... and/or the aims etc have not changed or been implemented ... then found wanting ie sufficient to justify change.. In the circumstances, isn't it best to accept that if it ain't broke, don't change/fix? Improve? Sure. update? Sure. If necessary? Now if someone can prove (beyond reasonable doubt) that the current bikeqld is not working AND that a new one will work, .............! That said, the other extremely important role of a list like this is raising awareness ... which in itself is likely to increase "critical advocacy" for much better outcomes ... as well as more enjoyable cycling by more people more often .... surely something we should encourage and promote and defend ... if necessary by use of informed critique. This information will range from the favourite attack sites of magpies to "consultation" discussions of proposals to what is the best v easiest v safest v most enjoyable routes to engineering "standards" should be used to advanced examples from overseas that show just how far behind are our pro-cycling government agencies. MY................ At 10:13 PM 1/06/2009, Ian Lister wrote: >Hi all, > >I'd like to get input from list members on the idea of renaming this >mailing list. Although it has had the name "bikeqld" since its >inception more than thirteen years ago there is arguably potential >for the name to be confused with that of Bicycle Queensland, which >has now gone by that name for more than ten years. From akayani at aapt.net.au Mon Jun 1 23:42:26 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Mon Jun 1 23:42:42 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Mailing list name (and purpose) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6AEFD68854E54057911A6096CECB6787@maud> Did you see the photo of Obama on a tricycle? What a classic. There is likely some material that could be syndicated between the sites. Yani -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Stephan Gard Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:49 AM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Mailing list name (and purpose) I agree with Pete, if we could in Brisbane have a web site in the likes or the Melbourne Cyclist site that would be fantastic. Stef Gard Lecturer::School of Design Faculty of Built Environment & Engineering Queensland University of Technology Phone::+61 7 3138 9008 _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From busrail at fastmail.fm Tue Jun 2 07:10:41 2009 From: busrail at fastmail.fm (Norm Morwood) Date: Tue Jun 2 07:11:54 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Mailing list name (and purpose) In-Reply-To: <20090601194034.M1377@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <005601c9e37b$2d053b90$0201010a@norm> Thanks Ian and others for thoughts on this. I have no problem with the bikeqld and actually quite enjoy the confusion with BQ if any. However one suggestion is it could be changed to qldbike if a change was deemed to be appropriate without changing much but some of the confusion with bq. I suspect that change might cause more confusion than it solves at least for a while. Regards, Norm. 07 5442 2916, 0409 63 99 44 140 Blackall Range Rd Woombye Qld 4559 Disclaimer: Overall Energy consumption Japan 1999 (kWh per 100 person-km) Car 68, Bus 19, Rail 6, Air 51, Sea 57. http://www.withouthotair.com/download.html -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Ian Lister Sent: Monday, 1 June 2009 10:14 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Mailing list name (and purpose) Hi all, I'd like to get input from list members on the idea of renaming this mailing list. Although it has had the name "bikeqld" since its inception more than thirteen years ago there is arguably potential for the name to be confused with that of Bicycle Queensland, which has now gone by that name for more than ten years. This has been an ongoing irritation at BQ for quite some time, and I must admit I've found it awkward to talk about the list verbally without risking confusion with BQ. I don't think the risk of confusion is in either group's best interest. Given that BQ seems unlikely to change its name again in the foreseeable future, I think we should look at changing ours. What do others think? Should we choose a new name? Do you have any suggestions? While we're here, is this a good time to reconsider the purpose of the list, and perhaps adjust the list charter? Currently the list description is: > Bikeqld is an unmoderated mailing list for cyclists in Queensland. > It's > designed to facilitate discussion about cycling related topics in > Queensland. Such topics may include discussions of policy and planning > issues, announcements of rides, local touring information and trip > reports etc. > > Announcements of the private sale of bicycle equipment is acceptable, > but no commercial use of this list will be tolerated. > > This list is not intended to subvert the various bicycle related > internet newsgroups - particularly aus.bicycle - but rather to > supplement them. Items of general interest should be posted to the > newsgroups (if you have access to them). Faster, more detailed responses > to specific questions, a slightly more private forum in which opinions > can be expressed with reduced fear of repercussion, and (mainly) a place > to carry on about cycling in Queensland far beyond what might be > considered "polite" in the general purpose newsgroups are some of the > benefits of the mailing list. > > This list is NOT affiliated in any way with Bicycle Queensland, > although > you are strongly encouraged to consider joining that organisation too. - http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld That has been the description used more or less unchanged since 1996, and could probably at least do with some freshening. Perhaps it should indicate that the list is currently quite oriented towards advocacy? Perhaps we should try to be more focused on that? Perhaps we should try to be more diverse? Perhaps we should separate advocacy (or any other area) from the rest, and have two (or more) lists? Similarly, geographical coverage - we're pretty Brisbane centric but we do have list members from elsewhere in Queensland and even interstate. Perhaps we should narrow our focus, or perhaps we should broaden it? Perhaps we should just pack it all in and head over to Road Grime or MTB Dirt (or back to aus.bicycle)? If you've got some thoughts, please don't keep them to yourself. Send them on, either on-list or privately, and let's see if we can get some kind of rough consensus on where we'd like to go. Cheers, Ian bikeqld list admin _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Wed Jun 3 00:11:40 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Wed Jun 3 00:14:14 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bike trailer loan/hire Message-ID: <20090603145657.C1377@singha.lister.id.au> This is a bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose there's anybody out there trusting or generous enough to lend or hire me a bike trailer for Friday and the weekend (or know where I can get one)? I'm going away for the weekend and have an opportunity to do it by bike, but I don't have enough cargo capacity in my panniers for both myself and my longanimous partner. I tried Epic (who has trailers and I've hired stuff from before), but they don't hire trailers. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Ian From ben at ultramotive.com.au Wed Jun 3 00:35:09 2009 From: ben at ultramotive.com.au (Ben Guymer) Date: Wed Jun 3 00:36:19 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bike trailer loan/hire References: <20090603145657.C1377@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: Hmm I wonder if bicycle revolution might have something? might be a bit late notice to get something working though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Lister" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: [bikeqld] Bike trailer loan/hire > This is a bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose there's anybody out > there trusting or generous enough to lend or hire me a bike trailer for > Friday and the weekend (or know where I can get one)? I'm going away for > the weekend and have an opportunity to do it by bike, but I don't have > enough cargo capacity in my panniers for both myself and my longanimous > partner. I tried Epic (who has trailers and I've hired stuff from before), > but they don't hire trailers. Any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > From kim at teegee.com.au Wed Jun 3 02:32:27 2009 From: kim at teegee.com.au (kim) Date: Wed Jun 3 02:33:20 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bike trailer loan/hire In-Reply-To: References: <20090603145657.C1377@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <4A26270B.8010708@teegee.com.au> Hi Ian, You can pick up a reasonably sturdy aluminium frame kid trailer at Big W or Kmart or Target for around $100 when on special and I reckon they would go the distance for a while anyway and you could fit a bit of gear in there plus it probably earns you a bit more respect from motorists if it looks like you got a kid in there, plus its water tight because you are going to get soaked this weekend. I think that even if you could hire one you would probably be paying that for the long weekend. kim >> This is a bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose there's anybody out >> there trusting or generous enough to lend or hire me a bike trailer >> for Friday and the weekend (or know where I can get one)? I'm going >> away for the weekend and have an opportunity to do it by bike, but I >> don't have enough cargo capacity in my panniers for both myself and >> my longanimous partner. I tried Epic (who has trailers and I've hired >> stuff from before), but they don't hire trailers. Any other suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bikeqld mailing list >> bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >> This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. >> > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > From matt at people.net.au Wed Jun 3 16:55:12 2009 From: matt at people.net.au (Matt) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:52:25 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bike trailer loan/hire Message-ID: <50516.1244066112@people.net.au> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I think Nerang Cycles still hire the BOB - the single wheel trailer (with or without suspension) I've had mine for a few years now and I reckon they're brilliant! They have a suspension version for the dirt track/rough road treks. Failing that, they were the distributors up here in Queensland for a while (don't know if they still are) as I haven't been there for a few years. On Wed 03/06/09 07:32 , kim kim@teegee.com.au sent: Hi Ian, You can pick up a reasonably sturdy aluminium frame kid trailer at Big W or Kmart or Target for around $100 when on special and I reckon they would go the distance for a while anyway and you could fit a bit of gear in there plus it probably earns you a bit more respect from motorists if it looks like you got a kid in there, plus its water tight because you are going to get soaked this weekend. I think that even if you could hire one you would probably be paying that for the long weekend. kim >> This is a bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose there's anybody out >> there trusting or generous enough to lend or hire me a bike trailer >> for Friday and the weekend (or know where I can get one)? I'm going >> away for the weekend and have an opportunity to do it by bike, but I >> don't have enough cargo capacity in my panniers for both myself and >> my longanimous partner. I tried Epic (who has trailers and I've hired >> stuff from before), but they don't hire trailers. Any other suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bikeqld mailing list >> >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >> This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. >> > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090603/9b74cf69/attachment.htm From xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au Fri Jun 5 10:03:04 2009 From: xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au (mich rolling) Date: Fri Jun 5 10:03:15 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate Change Message-ID: <496295.95958.qm@web44815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Did anyone go to this sustainable transport forum at the Irish Club on 17 May? Half a dozen professionals talking up how their planning/designing/building is helping make Brisbane transport able to function in the coming post-peak-oil era. If they were serious Barry Broe (Divisional Manager Brisbane Infrastructure, Brisbane City Council) would have announced the switch on date for bus priority traffic light signalling in Brisbane, currently nearly a decade late.. http://qld.engineersaustralia.org.au/jetspeed/static/headlines/items/5441/20090519SSEE.pdf South East Queensland?s Transport Systemin the Peak Oil and Climate Change Era Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo..com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Fri Jun 5 21:11:50 2009 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Fri Jun 5 21:12:22 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate Change In-Reply-To: <496295.95958.qm@web44815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <496295.95958.qm@web44815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555019.92163.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Mich, I wish I did go. Do you want to tell us more? Interesting, there is a mention that by 2015, we will be importing 2/3 of our oil! But I wondered how many of could afford to drive by 2015! Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ From: mich rolling To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Sent: Saturday, 6 June, 2009 1:03:04 AM Subject: [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate Change Did anyone go to this sustainable transport forum at the Irish Club on 17 May? Half a dozen professionals talking up how their planning/designing/building is helping make Brisbane transport able to function in the coming post-peak-oil era. If they were serious Barry Broe (Divisional Manager Brisbane Infrastructure, Brisbane City Council) would have announced the switch on date for bus priority traffic light signalling in Brisbane, currently nearly a decade late.. http://qld.engineersaustralia.org.au/jetspeed/static/headlines/items/5441/20090519SSEE.pdf South East Queensland?s Transport Systemin the Peak Oil and Climate Change Era Need a Holiday? 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"A good bike racing mate of mine was seriously injured early yesterday morning ... hit by a car somewhere at Indooroopilly around 5.30am." That would most likely be Friday morning but it might be Thursday morning. regards Michael Yeates Convenor BURG ................................. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090606/3ec944f5/attachment.htm From xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au Sat Jun 6 03:35:02 2009 From: xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au (mich rolling) Date: Sat Jun 6 03:35:20 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate Change Message-ID: <829407.58653.qm@web44815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> No more information unfortunately. Asking what happened at this meeting is more a rhetorical comment about how Brisbane (and by simillie any other cultural system) undergoes change. I read the Streetsblog in the USA and the same things are happening there. First there is a lot of talk which is ignored. Then more talk which gets hyped as evidence that a problem has been recognized and is being dealt with. Then more announcements of the great things in the pipeline, which are then quietly dropped (bus priority signalling in Brisbane). Then gradually the token (if you are an advocate), placatory (if you are a conservative politician) or achievable (if you are a pragmatist) bits get done. All the time the sheer visibility of whinging by activists over a long period induces in the generally unknowing and uncaring populace knowledge of the problem/solution and acceptance of diverting resources in that direction. Compare development of cycling facilities with development of resistance to mulesing following PETA's compaign. In summary, CanDo Won'tDo anything that upsets motorists ahead of motorists recognising the benefits and neceessity of getting people onto bikes or into buses (hence the decade old failure to do anything effective about giving buses priority at traffic lights). Advocates and advocacy organisations need to get in motorist's faces over long periods and keep carping on about how much better increased bike usage would be for everyone. Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline From michael at yeatesit.biz Sat Jun 6 15:53:33 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Sat Jun 6 15:54:07 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate Change In-Reply-To: <496295.95958.qm@web44815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <496295.95958.qm@web44815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090606205350.WYGE12022.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Hi Mich and all ... Tristan was one of the speakers so I asked him for his views. He replied as follows ... The BCC speaker did not have an actual presentation and simply repeated the Lord Mayor's priorities and said that BCC were focused on project delivery and made it clear they were not interested in coordinated transport planning or improving the mode share of public and active transport. The speaker from Queensland Transport was extremely non-committal on any major changes to Queensland Transport's approach and signalled a continuation of the current priorities for the next decade. Peter Newman and Stuart McCarthy's presentations were good but were largely ignored by the three government speakers - none of them relayed any urgency about the issue or presented any strategies that would significantly reduce oil dependence in the transport system. Tristan has also provided me with a copy of his pdf presentation material so anyone interested is welcome to contact me. He also advised that a webpage of the event is being prepared. MY ...................... At 01:03 AM 6/06/2009, mich rolling wrote: >Did anyone go to this sustainable transport forum at the Irish Club on 17 May? > >Half a dozen professionals talking up how their >planning/designing/building is helping make >Brisbane transport able to function in the coming post-peak-oil era. > >If they were serious Barry Broe (Divisional >Manager Brisbane Infrastructure, Brisbane City >Council) would have announced the switch on date >for bus priority traffic light signalling in >Brisbane, currently nearly a decade late.. > >http://qld.engineersaustralia.org.au/jetspeed/static/headlines/items/5441/20090519SSEE.pdf > > >South East Queensland???s Transport Systemin the >Peak Oil and Climate Change Era > > > Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of > your choice. 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090607/9d32876c/attachment.htm From scott.rowan at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 16:13:43 2009 From: scott.rowan at gmail.com (Scott Rowan) Date: Sat Jun 6 16:13:55 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate Change In-Reply-To: <555019.92163.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <496295.95958.qm@web44815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <555019.92163.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <867a90906061413x3550466akcbe9fded48a2333c@mail.gmail.com> I went along. Definitely very much a pro-sustainable transport crowd and some good presentations. Barry Broe mentioned that cycle use was up 75% in Brisbane last year. He didn't seem to make any distinction between recreational cycling and commuting though. Video of all the presentations and slides can be viewed at the links below (Windows media player format required). Part 1: http://eaq.mediavisionz.com.au/090519-p28a/fHI.htm Part 2: http://eaq.mediavisionz.com.au/090519-p28b/fHI.htm Cheers, Scott 2009/6/6 Anthony Lee > Hi Mich, > > I wish I did go. Do you want to tell us more? Interesting, there is a > mention that by 2015, we will be > importing 2/3 of our oil! But I wondered how many of could afford to drive > by 2015! > > Anthony Lee > The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? > ........-- __o > ....-- _ \<,_ > ........(_) / (_) > E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au > > ------------------------------ > *From:* mich rolling > *To:* bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > *Sent:* Saturday, 6 June, 2009 1:03:04 AM > *Subject:* [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate > Change > > > Did anyone go to this sustainable transport forum at the Irish Club on 17 > May? > > Half a dozen professionals talking up how their planning/designing/building > is helping make Brisbane transport able to function in the coming > post-peak-oil era. > > If they were serious Barry Broe (Divisional Manager Brisbane > Infrastructure, Brisbane City Council) would have announced the switch on > date for bus priority traffic light signalling in Brisbane, currently nearly > a decade late.. > > > http://qld.engineersaustralia.org.au/jetspeed/static/headlines/items/5441/20090519SSEE.pdf > > South East Queensland?s Transport Systemin the Peak Oil and Climate Change > Era > > > Need a Holiday? 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Enter now. > . > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090607/f7a6b34e/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Sat Jun 6 16:27:08 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Sat Jun 6 16:32:30 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Centenary-Ipswich Motorway intersection Message-ID: <20090606212720.ZLOA2116.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Hi ... Anyone know if cyclists (and pedestrians) have any facilities provided to allow access through this billion dollar maze? I ask that because yesterday we noticed that there is a temporary overbridge for the workers to cross the Centenary Highway. However, if decent culverts had been built into the project as the filling was being placed, we could have had a permanent bike-foot path as well as temporary access for the workers ...! I would assume BQ has been involved in the detailed design as part of the Ipswich Motorway project so anyone with BQ connections might be able to get an update from BQ then provide us with more detailed advice? If you have not seen this project, its worth having a look .. a good overview is available from the Sumner Road bridge and other points along Sumner Road eg the back of the petrol station. MY.................. From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Sat Jun 6 17:58:45 2009 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Sat Jun 6 17:59:02 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate Change In-Reply-To: <867a90906061413x3550466akcbe9fded48a2333c@mail.gmail.com> References: <496295.95958.qm@web44815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <555019.92163.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <867a90906061413x3550466akcbe9fded48a2333c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <932387.46267.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks Scott. Do you get the sense that the government has the strategy to cope with the problem? Anthony Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ From: Scott Rowan To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Sent: Sunday, 7 June, 2009 7:13:43 AM Subject: Re: [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate Change I went along. Definitely very much a pro-sustainable transport crowd and some good presentations. Barry Broe mentioned that cycle use was up 75% in Brisbane last year. He didn't seem to make any distinction between recreational cycling and commuting though. Video of all the presentations and slides can be viewed at the links below (Windows media player format required). Part 1: http://eaq.mediavisionz.com.au/090519-p28a/fHI.htm Part 2: http://eaq.mediavisionz.com.au/090519-p28b/fHI.htm Cheers, Scott 2009/6/6 Anthony Lee Hi Mich, I wish I did go. Do you want to tell us more? Interesting, there is a mention that by 2015, we will be importing 2/3 of our oil! But I wondered how many of could afford to drive by 2015! Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ From: mich rolling To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Sent: Saturday, 6 June, 2009 1:03:04 AM Subject: [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate Change Did anyone go to this sustainable transport forum at the Irish Club on 17 May? Half a dozen professionals talking up how their planning/designing/building is helping make Brisbane transport able to function in the coming post-peak-oil era. If they were serious Barry Broe (Divisional Manager Brisbane Infrastructure, Brisbane City Council) would have announced the switch on date for bus priority traffic light signalling in Brisbane, currently nearly a decade late.. http://qld.engineersaustralia.org.au/jetspeed/static/headlines/items/5441/20090519SSEE.pdf South East Queensland?s Transport Systemin the Peak Oil and Climate Change Era Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo..com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. ________________________________ Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.. _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090606/bd5c1e3c/attachment-0001.htm From dhorton at iprimus.com.au Sat Jun 6 21:00:20 2009 From: dhorton at iprimus.com.au (DAVID HORTON) Date: Sat Jun 6 21:01:33 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Centenary-Ipswich Motorway intersection References: <20090606212720.ZLOA2116.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <024601c9e713$b7915640$3b13a8c0@SHIRAZ> I was speaking to one of the engineers some months ago and there were plans to extend the western freeway bikepath out beyond Ipswich road. I got lost in the description because I don't know the roads out there. The crossing at Sumners road is moving further along towards Dandenong Road so the path will be further away from the freeway than it is at present. That said, the issue I had with the access from Sumners road onto the bikepath being closed doesn't seem to have been addressed (no signs, new ramps). David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Yeates" To: Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: [bikeqld] Centenary-Ipswich Motorway intersection > Hi ... > > Anyone know if cyclists (and pedestrians) have any facilities provided to > allow access through this billion dollar maze? > > I ask that because yesterday we noticed that there is a temporary > overbridge for the workers to cross the Centenary Highway. > > However, if decent culverts had been built into the project as the filling > was being placed, we could have had a permanent bike-foot path as well as > temporary access for the workers ...! > > I would assume BQ has been involved in the detailed design as part of the > Ipswich Motorway project so anyone with BQ connections might be able to > get an update from BQ then provide us with more detailed advice? > > If you have not seen this project, its worth having a look .. a good > overview is available from the Sumner Road bridge and other points along > Sumner Road eg the back of the petrol station. > > MY.................. > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From scott.rowan at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 18:36:39 2009 From: scott.rowan at gmail.com (Scott Rowan) Date: Mon Jun 8 18:36:55 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate Change In-Reply-To: <932387.46267.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <496295.95958.qm@web44815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <555019.92163.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <867a90906061413x3550466akcbe9fded48a2333c@mail.gmail.com> <932387.46267.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <867a90906081636y70e08e8dmf6431af220eb2cf0@mail.gmail.com> My impression was that there are a lot of people within government who are passionate about sustainable transport who are doing the best they can with the limited resources available for sustainable transport initiatives. The car still is very much the focus of a lot of the funding though and I would characterise the mode-share targets as conservative. BCC's mode share target was a 17% reduction I think and Barry Broe's argument for this was that the Lord Mayor's focus was on congestion reduction not on getting cars off the road. One example of this policy direction was the synchronization of lights on Moggill Rd to achieve a 15%? reduction in congestion. Still, while government policy is obviously important and I don't think it is the be all and end all. As critical mass builds and the public realises that sustainable transport methods can be both cost-effective and convenient, I'm optimistic that the switch from a car-based transport system to a public transport-based system will happen sooner rather than later. Cheers, Scott 2009/6/7 Anthony Lee > Thanks Scott. Do you get the sense that the government has the strategy to > cope with the problem? > > Anthony > > Anthony Lee > The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? > ........-- __o > ....-- _ \<,_ > ........(_) / (_) > E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Scott Rowan > *To:* bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > *Sent:* Sunday, 7 June, 2009 7:13:43 AM > *Subject:* Re: [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate > Change > > I went along. Definitely very much a pro-sustainable transport crowd and > some good presentations. Barry Broe mentioned that cycle use was up 75% in > Brisbane last year. He didn't seem to make any distinction between > recreational cycling and commuting though. > > Video of all the presentations and slides can be viewed at the links below > (Windows media player format required). > > Part 1: http://eaq.mediavisionz.com.au/090519-p28a/fHI.htm > Part 2: http://eaq.mediavisionz.com.au/090519-p28b/fHI.htm > > Cheers, > > Scott > > > 2009/6/6 Anthony Lee > >> Hi Mich, >> >> I wish I did go. Do you want to tell us more? Interesting, there is a >> mention that by 2015, we will be >> importing 2/3 of our oil! But I wondered how many of could afford to drive >> by 2015! >> >> Anthony Lee >> The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? >> ........-- __o >> ....-- _ \<,_ >> ........(_) / (_) >> E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* mich rolling >> *To:* bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >> *Sent:* Saturday, 6 June, 2009 1:03:04 AM >> *Subject:* [bikeqld] SE Qld transport coping with Peak Oil and Climate >> Change >> >> >> Did anyone go to this sustainable transport forum at the Irish Club on 17 >> May? >> >> Half a dozen professionals talking up how their >> planning/designing/building is helping make Brisbane transport able to >> function in the coming post-peak-oil era. >> >> If they were serious Barry Broe (Divisional Manager Brisbane >> Infrastructure, Brisbane City Council) would have announced the switch on >> date for bus priority traffic light signalling in Brisbane, currently nearly >> a decade late.. >> >> >> http://qld.engineersaustralia.org.au/jetspeed/static/headlines/items/5441/20090519SSEE.pdf >> >> South East Queensland?s Transport Systemin the Peak Oil and Climate Change >> Era >> >> >> Need a Holiday? 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090610/64ccc839/attachment.htm From ben at ultramotive.com.au Tue Jun 9 21:14:08 2009 From: ben at ultramotive.com.au (Ben Guymer) Date: Tue Jun 9 21:14:24 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Commuter bike?? Message-ID: <5ECFEB6B8D4345CD81AC97A45C94CAC7@Toaster> Hi all, Well the Road and the MTB are starting to wear out a bit.. After a number of chain and sprocket changes was looking to get a new commuter bike so I can wear out my other bikes doing what they're supposed to do. I had a look down at Epic cycles at a couple of bikes (scott and Cannondale) and Lifecycle (Langster) Went for a pedal at Epic, the Sub seemed ok, the Cannondale seemed a bit lame. Haven't been for a ride on the langster but singlespeeds seem a bit hot/cold around paddington and anywhere else in brisbane that isn't the river ride. Any other favourites? Any good or bad stories? Cheers, Ben. Scott Sub 10: http://scottusa.com/us_en/product/1667/11779/sub_10 reviews:- http://lockies.blogspot.com/2008/05/scott-sub-10-after-14000kms.html http://www.spinopsys.com/archives/88 Cannondale bad boy: http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/09/cusa/model-8BRD.html Specialised langster: http://www.specialized.com/au/en/bc/SBCExperience.jsp?eid=109 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090610/a8fa0b80/attachment.htm From j at jamver.id.au Tue Jun 9 22:09:53 2009 From: j at jamver.id.au (James Lever) Date: Tue Jun 9 22:10:35 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Commuter bike?? In-Reply-To: <5ECFEB6B8D4345CD81AC97A45C94CAC7@Toaster> References: <5ECFEB6B8D4345CD81AC97A45C94CAC7@Toaster> Message-ID: On 10/06/2009, at 12:14 PM, Ben Guymer wrote: > Well the Road and the MTB are starting to wear out a bit.. > After a number of chain and sprocket changes was looking to get a > new commuter bike so I can wear out my other bikes doing what > they're supposed to do. I had a look down at Epic cycles at a > couple of bikes (scott and Cannondale) and Lifecycle (Langster) > Went for a pedal at Epic, the Sub seemed ok, the Cannondale seemed a > bit lame. Haven't been for a ride on the langster but singlespeeds > seem a bit hot/cold around paddington and anywhere else in brisbane > that isn't the river ride. > Any other favourites? Any good or bad stories? I was looking for this type of bike late last year and after looking at the Bad Boy started to look around a bit more. In the end, I decided what I wanted was a cyclocross bike and ended up settling for a specialized tricross comp double. It's a great bike, has plenty of room for big baggy tyres and plenty of room for modification for touring - rack eyelets etc. http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=32203 http://www.bicycling.com/gear/detail/0,7989,s1-16-81-1188-0,00.html http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/tricross-comp-08-29161 They're not cheap, but seem well built and should last. cheers, James From bulk at ingramtech.com Wed Jun 10 03:53:52 2009 From: bulk at ingramtech.com (Dave Ingram) Date: Wed Jun 10 03:55:36 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Commuter bike?? In-Reply-To: <5ECFEB6B8D4345CD81AC97A45C94CAC7@Toaster> References: <5ECFEB6B8D4345CD81AC97A45C94CAC7@Toaster> Message-ID: <4A2F74A0.4060400@ingramtech.com> Ben Guymer wrote: > Hi all, > Well the Road and the MTB are starting to wear out a bit.. > After a number of chain and sprocket changes was looking to get a new > commuter bike so I can wear out my other bikes doing what they're > supposed to do. I had a look down at Epic cycles at a couple of bikes > (scott and Cannondale) and Lifecycle (Langster) Went for a pedal at > Epic, the Sub seemed ok, the Cannondale seemed a bit lame. Haven't > been for a ride on the langster but singlespeeds seem a bit hot/cold > around paddington and anywhere else in brisbane that isn't the river ride. > Any other favourites? Any good or bad stories? > I've been riding a Merida S-Presso i8-D for the last six months. It had an internally geared 8sp hub and hydraulic disc brakes, which was my selection requirement for year round riding. It can handle hills OK (I'm a different story though), with the climb up Mt Coot-tha hard going but the decent was great fun. http://www.merida.com.au/en_AU/Bikes.Detail.77 I've put on a Topeak rack, SKS mudguards and a Brooks saddle to complete the commuter experience :-) Some 23mm high pressure Contis make pushing the bike easier than with the 35mm hybrid things that came with it. Taking the back wheel off is doable without having to slacken the chain, even with vertical dropouts. I had to do this last night, and it is not as simple as with a derailleur, mainly due to the weight of the wheel. I've found that the ability to shift while stopped more than makes up for things, and does make riding in traffic with associated abrupt stops all that much easier. Dave. -- David Ingram (VK4TDI) To avoid spam trap, send email to dave at ingramtech dot com Brisbane, Queensland, Australia W: http://www.ingramtech.com/ MH: QG62lm From xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au Mon Jun 15 09:39:14 2009 From: xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au (mich rolling) Date: Mon Jun 15 09:39:27 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Active Transport News from Brisbane City Council Thursday 18 June, 5:45 Message-ID: <122936.43285.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> http://www.pedbiketrans.asn.au/eventsframe.html#current Aushiker over on Australian Cycling Forums http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=16460 has alerted us to the Thursday seminar by Brisbane Active Transport under the auspices of PedBikeTrans. Depending on how much of the BCC and QT counts on bike use are released (Bicycle Queensland, have you published anything?) this could be very interesting. Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline From kim at teegee.com.au Mon Jun 15 20:57:03 2009 From: kim at teegee.com.au (kim) Date: Mon Jun 15 20:57:30 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Active Transport News from Brisbane City Council Thursday 18 June, 5:45 In-Reply-To: <122936.43285.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <122936.43285.qm@web44807.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A36FBEF.3080500@teegee.com.au> Thanks Mich, Talking of counts, I did notice on the weekend that there were traffic count contractors on Sylvan road; I wondered if they were just doing counts relating to the proposed tunnel (thought the Toowong connection was off the drawing board now though) or whether it was related to the bikelane there. As I recall there was a lot of spruiking by both Council and MR about how the Western Freeway overpass was going to generate so much more cycle traffic from the north western suburbs. We did spend nearly half the amount it cost to build the Schonell bridge or the Goodwill bridge just to get across the western freeway to the botanic gardens and so I would hope that we do an audit of the numbers using this bridge to see if it was a good spend or not. There seemed to be very little fanfare about the whole thing when it was finished. I personally have not seen a lot of people using it and have had a whinge about some of the bodgy works done there. The second talk listed about reducing ped/bike conflict/interaction would be interesting to see how Council fairs in that discussion and they are supposedly going to show some local CBD examples (I guess its always a bit too much effort to look at things too far from the city centre :( ) and I am wondering if they might just be the 'good examples' or whether the myriad of 'bad examples' are going to be highlighted? I am sure that many of us can point to many bad examples. I certainly can. It does not list the presenter but I know Robyn Davies, the MR cycle lady did produce a paper on that very topic some years back. I don't think Robyn is in that same role at present though and I while I think MR does tend to make a better effort than Council in these matters, I don't think they are faultless by any means, especially looking at some of their efforts around recent works. k mich rolling wrote: > http://www.pedbiketrans.asn.au/eventsframe.html#current > Aushiker over on Australian Cycling Forums > http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=16460 > has alerted us to the Thursday seminar by Brisbane Active Transport under > the auspices of PedBikeTrans. > Depending on how much of the BCC and QT counts on bike use are released > (Bicycle Queensland, have you published anything?) this could be very > interesting. > > > > Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline > > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > From sebastian.tauchmann at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 23:52:57 2009 From: sebastian.tauchmann at gmail.com (Sebastian Tauchmann) Date: Mon Jun 15 23:53:15 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Qld 09/10 State Budget is out Message-ID: Yay, the budget's out: http://www.budget.qld.gov.au/ Time to start ferreting through it for the interesting bits! :) Sebastian From michael at yeatesit.biz Tue Jun 16 00:57:03 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Tue Jun 16 00:57:29 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] peds and cyclists still vulnerable Message-ID: <20090616055714.MLZM2116.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> The following may be of interest ... but note in particular how articles such as this (and/or the "research" they "report") tend not to question why there are crashes that kill or injure peds and cyclists .. but rather concentrate on promoting secondary "protective" measures such as helmets or off-road paths ... but not the known solutions to the primary causes in urban areas eg motor vehicles permitted and thus encouraged to travel at 50, 60 and 70km/h not 30km/h when people ie peds and cyclists, are expected and/or are about. http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20091606-19298.html MY......................... From ben at ultramotive.com.au Tue Jun 16 01:43:10 2009 From: ben at ultramotive.com.au (Ben Guymer) Date: Tue Jun 16 01:43:44 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Commuter bike?? References: <5ECFEB6B8D4345CD81AC97A45C94CAC7@Toaster> <4A2F74A0.4060400@ingramtech.com> Message-ID: <3B17D4D088DE420D82805E1AD33108B9@Toaster> So I ended up getting a Specialized San Francisco 2, from Lifecycle: http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=39274 Probably not dissimiliar to the Merida spresso i8-D but with a 3 speed hub which is a bit lighter than the 2kg Alfine hub. (I wasn't so keen on the weight of the 8 speed - had a look at a giant or GT or something which had one but it really felt like I'd nail the back wheel if I got a bunny hop a bit wrong) The mechanical discs seemed pretty lame (could squeeze them onto the grips without lifting the rear wheel ) so I'll change them to a better set of hydraulic discs. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ingram" To: "Ben Guymer" Cc: "BQ list" Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Commuter bike?? > Ben Guymer wrote: >> Hi all, >> Well the Road and the MTB are starting to wear out a bit.. >> After a number of chain and sprocket changes was looking to get a new >> commuter bike so I can wear out my other bikes doing what they're >> supposed to do. I had a look down at Epic cycles at a couple of bikes >> (scott and Cannondale) and Lifecycle (Langster) Went for a pedal at >> Epic, the Sub seemed ok, the Cannondale seemed a bit lame. Haven't >> been for a ride on the langster but singlespeeds seem a bit hot/cold >> around paddington and anywhere else in brisbane that isn't the river >> ride. >> Any other favourites? Any good or bad stories? >> > I've been riding a Merida S-Presso i8-D for the last six months. It had > an internally geared 8sp hub and hydraulic disc brakes, which was my > selection requirement for year round riding. It can handle hills OK (I'm > a different story though), with the climb up Mt Coot-tha hard going but > the decent was great fun. > http://www.merida.com.au/en_AU/Bikes.Detail.77 > > I've put on a Topeak rack, SKS mudguards and a Brooks saddle to complete > the commuter experience :-) Some 23mm high pressure Contis make pushing > the bike easier than with the 35mm hybrid things that came with it. > > Taking the back wheel off is doable without having to slacken the chain, > even with vertical dropouts. I had to do this last night, and it is not > as simple as with a derailleur, mainly due to the weight of the wheel. > I've found that the ability to shift while stopped more than makes up > for things, and does make riding in traffic with associated abrupt stops > all that much easier. > > > Dave. > -- > > David Ingram (VK4TDI) > To avoid spam trap, send email to dave at ingramtech dot com > Brisbane, Queensland, Australia > W: http://www.ingramtech.com/ > MH: QG62lm > > From pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au Tue Jun 16 07:56:51 2009 From: pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Tue Jun 16 07:57:16 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Green bridge backsliding Message-ID: <000901c9ee81$ef01e340$cd05a9c0$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> Have you noticed the works associated with the Boggo Road Busway have included introduction of pedestrians to the "Bikes Only" side of the Green Bridge? To make it easier for people to walk across the cemetery and get over the bridge, they've put a stop halfway out the approach, and steps down off the bikeway, so peds can cross the bikeway. Sheesh. Classic. Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090616/b5b541ca/attachment.htm From peter.whittle at qut.edu.au Tue Jun 16 08:01:20 2009 From: peter.whittle at qut.edu.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Tue Jun 16 08:01:45 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Wrecking bikelanes with road repairs Message-ID: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE0760D84106@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> ... while I'm on the "do cyclists really matter" theme, have you noticed how frequent and crappy are the road repairs on bikelanes? I wonder if we can get a new standard that they have to be perfectly flush, flat hotmix? Or even just a repair to "no worse than original"? Cases in point: - Outbound on Gladstone Road, numerous repairs, crappy standard, long duration of works - Outbound on Annerley Road, numerous repairs, lines not repainted, repairs of a lower standard than original road - Outbound on Hyde Road, Yeronga - long parallel pipeline ditch, repair is rough so you can't ride it comfortably, tar has slumped so there is a sharp edge that catches tires if you try to cross it ... a rock and a hard place. These are only standard. I wonder what BCC policy is in regard to maintenance contractors sustaining the asset? I should ask them one day. Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Aaron > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:52:57 +1000 > From: Sebastian Tauchmann > Subject: [bikeqld] Qld 09/10 State Budget is out > To: CBD BUG Discussion List , Bikeqld > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Yay, the budget's out: > > http://www.budget.qld.gov.au/ > > Time to start ferreting through it for the interesting bits! :) > > Sebastian _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to rent, share or buy this winter? Find your next place with Ninemsn?property http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This point is also a potential pedestrian crossing area where a staircase will be introduced leading down into the cemetery. For this reason the bends have been designed to also encourage cyclists to slow down. This style of design is based on the Brisbane City Council standards for slow points in cycleways. The planting is used to define the path and stop bikes cutting the corner. All of our design plans are approved by the council before any construction begins. If cyclists stick to the speed limit on the cycleway and slow down at the necessary points, there should be no cause for incidents. Regards, Communications Officer --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: pjl.whittle@optusnet.com.au Subject: [bikeqld] Green bridge backsliding Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:56:51 +1000 To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Have you noticed the works associated with the Boggo Road Busway have included introduction of pedestrians to the ?Bikes Only? side of the Green Bridge? To make it easier for people to walk across the cemetery and get over the bridge, they?ve put a stop halfway out the approach, and steps down off the bikeway, so peds can cross the bikeway. Sheesh. Classic. Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090617/8d3b69b2/attachment.htm From aaron_wray at hotmail.com Tue Jun 16 22:48:44 2009 From: aaron_wray at hotmail.com (Aaron Wray) Date: Tue Jun 16 22:49:05 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Kurilpa Bridge Message-ID: >From what it looks like it seems fairly remote that an oversize vehicle will hit it first. But the real question is could it handle a meteorite strike? It's not a BCC issue so the only reason to be talking to Newman is that it's a political point scoring exercise. Tony Moore and Marissa CalligerosJune 17, 2009 - 12:20PM Brisbane Lord Mayor Campbell Newman has described reports a Riverside Expressway on-ramp may have to close due to safety concerns over the new Kurilpa Bridge as an "absolute scandal of epic proportions". Main Roads Minister Craig Wallace today told State Parliament that his department was investigating whether the North Quay on-ramp, between Herschel and Tank streets heading south-east, may need to close due to concerns an oversized vehicle could collide with the bridge overhead. Although describing any such concern as "a freak accident involving an illegal vehicle", Mr Wallace conceded he would undertake a full briefing on the matter. "Safety is my department's number one priority," Mr Wallace said. The Kurilpa Bridge has a lowest clearance of 5.55 metres, which is higher than Victoria Bridge (4.4m) and the William Jolly Bridge (5.28m). Mr Wallace said of the nine possible routes approaching the Kurilpa Bridge, almost all of them came in contact with a lower bridge first. "As you can see the chances of a vehicle making contact with the Kurilpa Bridge are extremely remote," Mr Wallace told Parliament. The Lord Mayor said he had yet to see a detailed report on the issue, but if media reports were true it would be a case of "absolutely breath-taking incompetence". "To build a structure across one of the most busy roads in Brisbane and then find that it won?t stand up to - to what in risk management terms you call a probable collision at some stage - without collapsing," Cr Newman, an engineer before entering Council, said. "And then to suggest that you will have to close road access and create traffic congestion. "This is a scandal of epic proportions. This is a total scandal. How did this happen?" Mr Wallace also highlighted accidents caused by merging traffic on the on-ramp as a possible reason to close it. The North Quay on-ramp was opened in 1999. _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a new car this winter? Let us help with car news, reviews and more http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090617/409ff5e3/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Tue Jun 16 22:49:22 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Tue Jun 16 22:49:39 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] BCC budget news? Message-ID: <20090617034921.PBAY11262.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Two bits of news from the Lord Mayor ... http://www.campbellnewman.com.au/articles/massive-spend-on-public-transport.html http://www.campbellnewman.com.au/articles/taking-the-politics-out-of-footpaths.html Makes me wonder what the $100m over 4 years was all about ... and where it is being spent and on what ...! MY............. From scott.rowan at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 18:19:42 2009 From: scott.rowan at gmail.com (Scott Rowan) Date: Thu Jun 18 18:19:53 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bicyclist Harassment Ordinance Passed Message-ID: <867a90906181619q119ab2cap559a0f986a29be86@mail.gmail.com> Does Qld or any other state have anything like this? Is it already covered under the existing road rules? Cheers, Scott ------------------------------------------- COLUMBIA, MO (BRAIN)?A city of 84,000 people in Missouri has passed a bicyclist harassment ordinance making the throwing of objects, verbal assault and other offenses illegal, and a misdemeanor offense punishable by a $1,000 fine or one year of jail time. The Columbia ordinance, which is modeled after similar ordinances in South Carolina and Colorado, makes it a misdemeanor to do the following: throw an object at or in the direction of a cyclist, threatening a cyclist to frighten or disturb the cyclist, sounding a horn with the intention to frighten or disturb a cyclist, knowingly placing a cyclist in the path of physical injury, or knowingly engaging in conduct that creates a risk of death or serious physical injury for a cyclist. http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2009/06/16/bicy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Scott ------------------------------------------- COLUMBIA, MO (BRAIN)-A city of 84,000 people in Missouri has passed a bicyclist harassment ordinance making the throwing of objects, verbal assault and other offenses illegal, and a misdemeanor offense punishable by a $1,000 fine or one year of jail time. The Columbia ordinance, which is modeled after similar ordinances in South Carolina and Colorado, makes it a misdemeanor to do the following: throw an object at or in the direction of a cyclist, threatening a cyclist to frighten or disturb the cyclist, sounding a horn with the intention to frighten or disturb a cyclist, knowingly placing a cyclist in the path of physical injury, or knowingly engaging in conduct that creates a risk of death or serious physical injury for a cyclist. http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2009/06/16/bicy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <650555.95992.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear all, Energex head office is moving to Newstead in 2010. Since I know practically nothing about riding on the Northside. Could someone please tell me what are the possible routes from the Northside? The problem is, I don't really want to have riders coming all the way into the city just to ride along the river. Thank you Anthony Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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View this job at: http://seek.com.au/users/apply/index.ascx?JobID=15587245&cid=jobmail Yani From peter.whittle at qut.edu.au Thu Jun 25 16:15:16 2009 From: peter.whittle at qut.edu.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Thu Jun 25 16:15:45 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Hang Up & Drive: Hands-Free Phones Aren't Safer Message-ID: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE0760F0A1D5@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> http://www.utne.com/Politics/Hang-Up-Drive-Hands-Free-Phones-Arent-Safer.aspx?utm_source=iPost&utm_medium=email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090626/285d9957/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Thu Jun 25 17:56:33 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Thu Jun 25 17:56:44 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Fwd: [Cmass-Sydney] SMH Today Message-ID: <20090625225628.BAXT3770.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Wow ... is this a wake up call? Why would cyclists choose to be stopped at every cross street except for a small window of "green bike" rather than share a wider 30km/h road as in much of Europe including a rapid roll-out of 20mph (=30km/h) in the UK? What happens as the volume of cyclists increases? How and where do faster cyclists overtake the slower cyclists? What happens at the traffic lights as the numbers of cyclists increases? Do the ARRs make use of this type of facility mandatory ie is it illegal to not use it? Sounds quite likely the "research" by way of "consultation" and submissions was excessively influenced either by motorists or by very inexperienced cyclists or do-gooders who like the idea of keeping cyclists off the road. Is this yet another reason for choosing sharing the road under conditions that are (and can be made) more suitable ie "safe + convenient", for cycling especially in urban and suburban areas? What spatial requirements and priority at traffic lights would make this type of facility work? What is the design maximum capacity in cyclists per minute given the length of the "green BIKE" phase/s? MY................... >Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:30:31 +1000 >Subject: [Cmass-Sydney] SMH Today > >http://tinyurl.com/kkle3o > >_______________________________________________ >Cmass-Sydney mailing list From harland.john at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 19:08:38 2009 From: harland.john at gmail.com (John Harland) Date: Thu Jun 25 19:09:06 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Re: [BFA-Oz] Fwd: [Cmass-Sydney] SMH Today In-Reply-To: <1611588561-1463792126-1245970661@boing.topica.com> References: <1611588561-1463792126-1245970661@boing.topica.com> Message-ID: <813358660906251708p59f76591i2a64d8cfd8661708@mail.gmail.com> What are you complaining about? Those two-way lanes look to have a lot more overtaking space than the idiotic "Copenhagen" lanes that Bicycle Victoria and VicRoads are foisting on Melbourne. It even looks as if they don't have high kerbs either side, unlike the Melbourne ones. John __ On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Michael Yeates wrote: > > Wow ... is this a wake up call? > > Why would cyclists choose to be stopped at every cross street except for a > small window of "green bike" rather than share a wider 30km/h road as in > much of Europe including a rapid roll-out of 20mph (=30km/h) in the UK? > > What happens as the volume of cyclists increases? > > How and where do faster cyclists overtake the slower cyclists? > > What happens at the traffic lights as the numbers of cyclists increases? > > Do the ARRs make use of this type of facility mandatory ie is it illegal to > not use it? > > Sounds quite likely the "research" by way of "consultation" and submissions > was excessively influenced either by motorists or by very inexperienced > cyclists or do-gooders who like the idea of keeping cyclists off the road. > > Is this yet another reason for choosing sharing the road under conditions > that are (and can be made) more suitable ie "safe + convenient", ?for > cycling especially in urban and suburban areas? > > What spatial requirements and priority at traffic lights would make this > type of facility work? > > What is the design maximum capacity in cyclists per minute given the length > of the "green BIKE" phase/s? > > MY................... > >> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:30:31 +1000 >> Subject: [Cmass-Sydney] SMH Today >> >> http://tinyurl.com/kkle3o >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cmass-Sydney mailing list > > > ? ? ? ? ********* BFA-Oz *********** > ?..but global oil production itself is likely to peak, maybe as early as > 2006. ?But more conventionally 2010 ? 2015.? ?It is also certain that the > cost of preparing too early is nowhere near the cost of not being ready on > time.? ?Hon. 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Harland From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Thu Jun 25 20:27:23 2009 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Thu Jun 25 20:27:35 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Hang Up & Drive: Hands-Free Phones Aren't Safer In-Reply-To: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE0760F0A1D5@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE0760F0A1D5@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: Original article is here: http://www.governing.com/article/sending-mixed-messages R From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Whittle Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 7:15 AM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Hang Up & Drive: Hands-Free Phones Aren't Safer http://www.utne.com/Politics/Hang-Up-Drive-Hands-Free-Phones-Arent-Safer .aspx?utm_source=iPost&utm_medium=email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090625/8b298a55/attachment-0001.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Thu Jun 25 23:36:36 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Thu Jun 25 23:37:17 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Breakfast creek onwards? In-Reply-To: <405092.65110.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <405092.65110.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090626043655.DLUE8167.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Anthony, Assuming it will be easy to get to the new cycle parking facility at the RBH, then it is a road and/or footpath route from there to Newstead via OConnell or Campbell Streets to Montpelier with traffic lights at each intersection across Breakfast Creek Road into Newstead. However don't expect much in the way of cycling facilities until after the tunnel and Airport Link projects are completed ... if then. There is also a route from Albion over the overpass then along Sandgate Road on the northern side of Breakfast Creek either (i) to near the Breakfast Creek Hotel then across the creek there and into Newstead or (ii) to under the Valley Bypass where it crosses the creek where the road also crosses the creek to the southern side into Mayne then via Thomson and Edmonstone to Breakfast Creek Road and then into Newstead. These are "missing links" at present and show up on the following map as "black holes" having NOTHING at both Newstead and at Hamilton on the following map ... but optimistically will no longer be missing links once the roadworks are completed ... see http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/bccwr/facilities/documents/brisbane_bike_map_05.pdf Seems like a reasonable question for you to ask Cr Jane Prentice BCC Chairperson for "Active Transport". MY................. At 01:11 PM 26/06/2009, Anthony Lee wrote: >Hi all, > >I am looking at how people travelling from the Northern suburbs, >e.g. Gordon Park gets to Newstead. > >I noticed that the bikeway crosses over Breakfast Creek around >Heston Park. How and what's the best >way from there to Newstead? > >Any chance that there will be extension to the bikeway around there? >Anyone in BCC I can asked? > >Thank you > >Anthony Lee >The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? >........-- __o >....-- _ \<,_ >........(_) / (_) >E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au > > > >Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. >Show >me how. >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.92/2202 - Release Date: >06/25/09 17:58:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090626/93379e10/attachment.htm From harland.john at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 04:49:14 2009 From: harland.john at gmail.com (John Harland) Date: Fri Jun 26 04:49:30 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Re: [BFA-Oz] Fwd: [Cmass-Sydney] SMH Today In-Reply-To: <255263915-1463747838-1245974933@boing.topica.com> References: <1611588561-1463792126-1245970661@boing.topica.com> <255263915-1463747838-1245974933@boing.topica.com> Message-ID: <813358660906260249mcda5d88rb0afa465fedff9e5@mail.gmail.com> Hi All Michael has pointed out that my irony may have escaped a lot of people. So I'll spell it out: The proposed Sydney lanes are atrocious and - I contend - dangerous. Comparison with the appalling "Copenhagen" lanes in Melbourne is the faintest possible praise. Bike lanes in Copenhagen (or Amsterdam) are generally wider and, more importantly, have no significant kerbing (1 - 2 cm) as against the 12 cm or higher kerbs either side of the Melbourne ones. You can get out of a real Copenhagen or Amsterdam lane, but not out of a Melbourne one. A further important difference is that in Copenhagen and Amsterdam, the electricity runs underground so you do not have to dodge power poles if you do have to get out of the lane. John __ On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM, John Harland wrote: > > What are you complaining about? > Those two-way lanes look to have a lot more overtaking space than the > idiotic "Copenhagen" lanes that Bicycle Victoria and VicRoads are > foisting on Melbourne. > It even looks as if they don't have high kerbs either side, unlike the > Melbourne ones. > > John > __ > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Michael Yeates wrote= > : >> >> Wow ... is this a wake up call? >> >> Why would cyclists choose to be stopped at every cross street except for = (cut) -- John C. Harland From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Fri Jun 26 14:41:49 2009 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Fri Jun 26 14:42:05 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Breakfast creek onwards? In-Reply-To: <20090626043655.DLUE8167.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <405092.65110.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20090626043655.DLUE8167.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <605062.13630.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks Michael. We are moving into the new facility in the later half of 2010. It is actually not only an issue for cyclists. People who travel by train will need to consider walking from Bowen Hills (via two major intersection) to the new facility in Newstead. Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ From: Michael Yeates To: Anthony Lee Cc: BIQ Sent: Friday, 26 June, 2009 2:36:36 PM Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Breakfast creek onwards? Anthony, Assuming it will be easy to get to the new cycle parking facility at the RBH, then it is a road and/or footpath route from there to Newstead via OConnell or Campbell Streets to Montpelier with traffic lights at each intersection across Breakfast Creek Road into Newstead. However don't expect much in the way of cycling facilities until after the tunnel and Airport Link projects are completed ... if then. There is also a route from Albion over the overpass then along Sandgate Road on the northern side of Breakfast Creek either (i) to near the Breakfast Creek Hotel then across the creek there and into Newstead or (ii) to under the Valley Bypass where it crosses the creek where the road also crosses the creek to the southern side into Mayne then via Thomson and Edmonstone to Breakfast Creek Road and then into Newstead. These are "missing links" at present and show up on the following map as "black holes" having NOTHING at both Newstead and at Hamilton on the following map ... but optimistically will no longer be missing links once the roadworks are completed ... see http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/bccwr/facilities/documents/brisbane_bike_map_05.pdf Seems like a reasonable question for you to ask Cr Jane Prentice BCC Chairperson for "Active Transport". MY................. At 01:11 PM 26/06/2009, Anthony Lee wrote: Hi all, > >>I am looking at how people travelling from the Northern suburbs, e.g. >Gordon Park gets to Newstead. > >>I noticed that the bikeway crosses over Breakfast Creek around Heston >Park. How and what's the best >>way from there to Newstead? > >>Any chance that there will be extension to the bikeway around there? >Anyone in BCC I can asked? > >>Thank you >> >>Anthony Lee >>The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? >>........-- __o >>....-- _ \<,_ >>........(_) / (_) >>E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au > > > >>Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. >>Show me how. >>_______________________________________________ >>bikeqld mailing list >>bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >>http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >>http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >>This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - >www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.92/2202 - Release Date: >06/25/09 17:58:00 Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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