From kim at teegee.com.au Sun Feb 1 02:55:28 2009 From: kim at teegee.com.au (kim) Date: Sun Feb 1 02:56:44 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] HSL bikeway closure this weekend In-Reply-To: <345245.53987.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <345245.53987.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49856380.7030807@teegee.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Until now, there has been limited research exploring the relationship between serious leisure cyclists and other road users as it pertains to issues of safety and motivations to cycle for leisure. This mixed methods research provides insights into a particular cohort of serious leisure cyclists and their experiences of sharing the roads with motorists. Analysis reveals a range of concerns amongst this sub-group, mediated by factors such as age, experience and environment. The paper calls for a differential focus on sub-groups of cyclists when considering policy formation, regulation and safe provision for cyclists on roads. R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090202/94392353/attachment.htm From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Mon Feb 2 01:05:32 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Mon Feb 2 01:05:57 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Fw: BCC Considering Removing Waminda Street Bikelanes in front of Morningside Railway Station (fwd) Message-ID: <20090202170150.B15294@singha.lister.id.au> See below for information and a petition about the proposed removal of bike lanes on Waminda St in Morningside. (Apologies for the belated forwarding; I've been away). Cheers, Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Folks Please refer to the link below regarding EAST BUG's latest neighbourhood campaign and relevant details which may be of interest to some of your members. Your assistance in circulating it would be most welcomed. Waminda Street is on the SEQ Principal Cycle Network Plan and is a major cross route connector between Old Cleveland Road and Wynnum Road for commuter and recreational cyclists alike. This is one of those "stake in the ground" issues for EAST BUG as the local councillor - Shayne Sutton went in to bat for us to get on street parking removed to allow dedicated bike lanes to be installed along the length of Waminda Street. As we all know getting dedicated on road space for cyclists is never easy especially when it involves taking away car parks and we can not afford to be complacent on this one. We have an on-line petition and a paper petition circulating - both of which are on the wiki at the link below. We have over 130 signatures with 1 week to go before we have to submit it to Council. http://ebicampaigns.pbwiki.com/Waminda-Street-Bike-Lanes Regards Peter From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Mon Feb 2 01:30:03 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Mon Feb 2 01:32:18 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Fw: Biking Brisbane - proposed exhibition & workshops (fwd) Message-ID: <20090202172650.F15294@singha.lister.id.au> --- On Fri, 30/1/09, Gavin Bannerman wrote: From: Gavin Bannerman Subject: Biking Brisbane - proposed exhibition & workshops To: Received: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 1:03 PM Hello I am planning a photographic exhibition and series of digital storytelling workshops based around the theme of cycling in Brisbane. The project, called "Biking Brisbane" is being proposed to the Brisbane City Council and Arts Queensland as part of the Creative Sparks initiative Digital stories are short biographical or autobiographical videos that reflect on one particular topic - in this case cycling and what it means to that person. I am building up a list of people that may like to tell their story or be photographed. I have attached a one-page outline of the project for your information. If you'd be interested in getting involved or just would like some more information about this project, I'd love to talk to you. My mobile number is 0421 976 425. Yours sincerely, Gavin Bannerman. [ The attachment is available at http://www.bikeqld.org.au/attachments/20090202/Biking%20Brisbane.pdf - Ian ] From michael at yeatesit.biz Mon Feb 2 03:30:01 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Mon Feb 2 03:29:55 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] RE: Warning: Helmet debate. In-Reply-To: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588D6E9@QUTEXMBX03.qut. edu.au> References: <360972.38302.qm@web44806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <004901c97f7a$34eb3fe0$9ec1bfa0$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588D6E9@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <20090202092941.MIXH21910.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> For those interested, the following provides some useful info as a resource if nothing else for those already decided...! Where I found it, it was cited as an example of the need for better research and assessment BEFORE decisions are made ... and I certainly agree with that view. No comment re Jerry's views ... ;-) See http://www.cla.asn.au/Article/081125BikesHelmetPolicy.pdf "for one example of a seven point assessment ..." MY................... At 03:12 PM 29/01/2009, Peter Whittle wrote: >Quote >There are many things you can point to as proof that the human is >not smart. But my personal favorite would have to be that we needed >to invent the helmet. What was happening, apparently, was that we >were involved in a lot of activities that were cracking our heads. >We chose not to avoid doing those activities but, instead, to come >up with some sort of device to help us enjoy our head-cracking >lifestyles. And even that didn't work because not enough people were >wearing them so we had to come up with the helmet law. Which is even >stupider, the idea behind the helmet law being to preserve a brain >whose judgment is so poor, it does not even try to avoid the >cracking of the head it's in. >-Jerry Seinfeld > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090204/31c91915/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Tue Feb 3 20:33:10 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Tue Feb 3 20:33:29 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] bus racks on buses Christchurch but NOT Brisbane Message-ID: <20090204023312.TJJF12531.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Thanks for the info Pete ... Here is another take ... and there is more on the web ... esp the effort by CAN to promote and support the initial idea and then the trial ... ;-) MY..................... http://business.scoop.co.nz/?p=2717 Bike-carrying racks on bus routes expands 9:57 January 30, 2009PressRelease Press Release - Environment Canterbury Environment Canterbury (ECan) councillors have agreed to extending the number of Christchurch bus routes which will be able to carry bicycles. This will give cyclists the option of cycling one way to work or outdoor activities and busing back, or doing January 29, 2009 MEDIA STATEMENT Bike-carrying racks on bus routes expands Environment Canterbury (ECan) councillors have agreed to extending the number of Christchurch bus routes which will be able to carry bicycles. This will give cyclists the option of cycling one way to work or outdoor activities and busing back, or doing part of a journey on the bus and part cycling. Bike racks, which carry two cycles, have been successfully trialled on the Lyttelton (number 35 Heathcote) route since November 2007. ?On nearly 700 occasions over six months, people put their bike on the bus to get through the Lyttelton tunnel,? said Cr Carole Evans, chair of ECan?s public passenger transport committee. ?These racks have been warmly received by Lyttelton cyclists.? One Ilam/Mt Pleasant bus, one Northern Star bus to Rangiora and Kaiapoi and one Redwood bus also had bike racks fitted as part of the trial. Councillors agreed to renegotiate the Northern Star contracts so more of these buses could be fitted with bike racks this year also, before the contract is up for renewal. Expanding the bike racks to other contracts will be considered after an evaluation of the current stage one grouping. ?The second stage, picking up most remaining bus routes, could begin in 2010,? Cr Evans said. The ten services involving hills and/or significant distances which will soon be retendered and will require bike-carrying racks as part of their contracts are to Halswell, Kennedy?s Bush, Styx Mill/Westmorland, Harewood/Dyers Pass, Bishopdale/Major Aitken, Airport/Sumner, Ilam/Mt Pleasant, Lyttelton/Rapaki, Riccarton/Heathcote and St Albans/Huntsbury. The bike racks would be ready for the newly contracted services in November. Each bus will have a bike-carrying rack on the front. The responsibility for loading and unloading the bicycles is the cyclist?s. A pamphlet with instructions is available at the Bus Exchange and on all buses with bike racks. ?The racks integrate public transport with other modes of travel and make places like Lyttelton, where the road tunnel is the main accessway, more cycling-friendly. The more routes which carry the racks, the more people have the option of combining cycling with bus travel,? Cr Evans said. ?Bike racks are an important aim of the Greater Christchurch Metro Strategy.? The expanded Metro bus bike rack network is still subject to funding approval. Each rack works out to around $2000 fitted per bus. The cost per year would be $15,000 (or $75,000 in total over five years) to the public transport targeted rate, which would be included in the proposed Long Term Council Community Plan. Funding spent on public transport receives a 50% central government subsidy. ENDS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090204/e0307209/attachment.htm From akayani at aapt.net.au Wed Feb 4 01:08:29 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Wed Feb 4 01:09:07 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" In-Reply-To: <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> Message-ID: Yani - Can you have a look at why my gear change is impossible to tune? Bikeshop - "You have flogged it, how far have you been riding, it needs new gears all round, a chain and likely new bearing real soon. It's reached its duty limit." So much for my Giant mountain bike. Now the question is do I pass the bike on to someone who wants a cycle for the garage and get a new one or do I spent $300 on repairs sometime in the next 6 months? It's only 4 years old so it look just fine. If I hadn't asked I'd have thought it was worth $400 s/h (at a pinch). Sell it and upgrade or repair it? Giant Rincon with rim breaks. It's been a great bike, obviously been good to me. In pretty much perfect condition bar the miles I've done. Nice black one. What is the consensus? Repair bikes or replace them when they get plenty of use? Yani -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090204/341bd6cc/attachment-0001.htm From telstar at cfsmtb.net Wed Feb 4 02:42:14 2009 From: telstar at cfsmtb.net (telstar@cfsmtb.net) Date: Wed Feb 4 02:43:12 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" In-Reply-To: References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> Message-ID: <33384.124.176.183.183.1233736934.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> If you love the frame & geometry (and it isn't obviously stuffed/cracked), then go replacing the gruppo et al. I've done it on several bikes and given one is hanging around a particular Melbourne LBS a great deal, most customers are either replacing components or pulling the old step-through or 10-speed frame out of the shed for repairs & rebuilds. Although the economics of replace bits vs. buy new bike is an entirely personal one. Your choice. If anyone knows of a motherlode of small steel road frames email me off list. ;) cheers, Chris > Yani - Can you have a look at why my gear change is impossible to tune? > > > > Bikeshop - "You have flogged it, how far have you been riding, it needs > new > gears all round, a chain and likely new bearing real soon. It's reached > its > duty limit." > > > > > > So much for my Giant mountain bike. > > > > > > Now the question is do I pass the bike on to someone who wants a cycle for > the garage and get a new one or do I spent $300 on repairs sometime in the > next 6 months? > > > > > > It's only 4 years old so it look just fine. If I hadn't asked I'd have > thought it was worth $400 s/h (at a pinch). > > > > > > Sell it and upgrade or repair it? Giant Rincon with rim breaks. It's been > a > great bike, obviously been good to me. In pretty much perfect condition > bar > the miles I've done. Nice black one. > > > > > > What is the consensus? Repair bikes or replace them when they get plenty > of > use? > > > > > > > > Yani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. -- ---------------------------------------- Don't get involved in partial problems, but always take flight to where there is a free view over the whole single great problem, even if this view is still not a clear one - Ludwig Wittgenstein http://cfsmtb.net http://www.woj.com.au http://www.ycat.org.au http://www.yarrabug.org/radio http://www.melbournecyclist.com ---------------------------------------- From cameraperson at bigpond.com Wed Feb 4 03:28:48 2009 From: cameraperson at bigpond.com (Mick Fanning) Date: Wed Feb 4 03:29:11 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" In-Reply-To: <33384.124.176.183.183.1233736934.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> <33384.124.176.183.183.1233736934.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> Message-ID: <27C07581-7351-4DAA-A44E-E091179962D5@bigpond.com> Gidday Yani, I agree with Chris's advice. If you love riding the bike then go ahead and renew the gear train. But if you have ever had the slightest doubt about how the bike feels then use this as an excuse to get a new one. As for what the bike shop said; it sounds like you were lucky to go four years before you noticed a problem with the shifting. Chains alone should be replaced every six to twelve months, depending on how heavily you use your bike. Next bike, try this. Every six to twelve months (see above) renew the chain. Don't throw the old one away. Clean it, lube it and put it in a plastic bag and put it away. After the second renewal, put the first of the old ones back on the bike and continue the process until you have used these three chains twice. Then you renew the entire drive train. This theory is a bit arbitrary. Lots of other things can go wrong over this period. But I've found this will get a much better life span out of your drive train. My old 1992 Giant lasted thirteen years of daily use with this method, until the nice people at Epic offered to take it out the back of their shop and put it down humanely. Mick PS Chris, you might find some small steel frames at Revolution on the corner of Vulture Street and Montague Road. They seem to have a gazillion old frames stacked up there. Might be a problem though. Aren't you in Melbourne? On 04/02/2009, at 18:42, telstar@cfsmtb.net wrote: > If you love the frame & geometry (and it isn't obviously stuffed/ > cracked), > then go replacing the gruppo et al. > > I've done it on several bikes and given one is hanging around a > particular > Melbourne LBS a great deal, most customers are either replacing > components > or pulling the old step-through or 10-speed frame out of the shed for > repairs & rebuilds. > > Although the economics of replace bits vs. buy new bike is an entirely > personal one. Your choice. > > If anyone knows of a motherlode of small steel road frames email me > off > list. ;) > > cheers, > > Chris > > > >> Yani - Can you have a look at why my gear change is impossible to >> tune? >> >> >> >> Bikeshop - "You have flogged it, how far have you been riding, it >> needs >> new >> gears all round, a chain and likely new bearing real soon. It's >> reached >> its >> duty limit." >> >> >> >> >> >> So much for my Giant mountain bike. >> >> >> >> >> >> Now the question is do I pass the bike on to someone who wants a >> cycle for >> the garage and get a new one or do I spent $300 on repairs >> sometime in the >> next 6 months? >> >> >> >> >> >> It's only 4 years old so it look just fine. If I hadn't asked I'd >> have >> thought it was worth $400 s/h (at a pinch). >> >> >> >> >> >> Sell it and upgrade or repair it? Giant Rincon with rim breaks. >> It's been >> a >> great bike, obviously been good to me. In pretty much perfect >> condition >> bar >> the miles I've done. Nice black one. >> >> >> >> >> >> What is the consensus? Repair bikes or replace them when they get >> plenty >> of >> use? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yani >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bikeqld mailing list >> bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >> This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > Don't get involved in partial problems, > but always take flight to where there is > a free view over the whole single great > problem, even if this view is still not > a clear one - Ludwig Wittgenstein > > http://cfsmtb.net > http://www.woj.com.au > http://www.ycat.org.au > http://www.yarrabug.org/radio > http://www.melbournecyclist.com > ---------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From aaron_wray at hotmail.com Wed Feb 4 03:54:47 2009 From: aaron_wray at hotmail.com (Aaron Wray) Date: Wed Feb 4 03:54:58 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" opinion In-Reply-To: <200902040709.n1479IRB006799@laika.gnusto.com> References: <200902040709.n1479IRB006799@laika.gnusto.com> Message-ID: Yani I can sympathise. I went through this process last year with my Giant XTC2 I was using for commuting. I decided to get a new bike as I wanted disc brakes for the increased stopping power in the dry and most importantly in the wet. In addition I was wearing through rims at an alarming rate. I generally keep them until I get sick of spending money on them and newer models give me better features then upgrade. I also kept my old one and upgraded the wheels and put discs on it so I have it as my weekender take my nephews out on the wee ride and tagalong (It also has minimal extras to remove at parks etc unlike my new commuter also an XTC2). Environmentally you maybe better off keeping it and fixing it although Bicycle Revolutions will always take your bike in any condition and make something out of it. You could buy a lot of the stuff online if you are that way inclined and save quite a bit of money if you can do it yourself. The drivechain on a bike really is a disposable object I can generally get 1yr out of a chain and cluster. I think it would have been a rather tall order to get that much for your bike as I found a new 2008 model for around $500. Some thoughts. Cheers Aaron > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:08:29 +1000 > From: "Yani" > Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" > To: "'BikeQld'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yani - Can you have a look at why my gear change is impossible to tune? > > > > Bikeshop - "You have flogged it, how far have you been riding, it needs new > gears all round, a chain and likely new bearing real soon. It's reached its > duty limit." > > > > > > So much for my Giant mountain bike. > > > > > > Now the question is do I pass the bike on to someone who wants a cycle for > the garage and get a new one or do I spent $300 on repairs sometime in the > next 6 months? > > > > > > It's only 4 years old so it look just fine. If I hadn't asked I'd have > thought it was worth $400 s/h (at a pinch). > > > > > > Sell it and upgrade or repair it? Giant Rincon with rim breaks. It's been a > great bike, obviously been good to me. In pretty much perfect condition bar > the miles I've done. Nice black one. > > > > > > What is the consensus? Repair bikes or replace them when they get plenty of > use? > > > > > > > > Yani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090204/341bd6cc/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > > End of bikeqld Digest, Vol 42, Issue 4 > ************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of those unwanted christmas presents! Get what you want at ebay. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Frover%2F1%2F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%3Fid%3D10&_t=763807330&_r=hotmailTAGLINES&_m=EXT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090204/68f7abd5/attachment.htm From pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au Wed Feb 4 04:18:01 2009 From: pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Wed Feb 4 04:20:29 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" In-Reply-To: References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> Message-ID: <001a01c986b1$dcc45ec0$964d1c40$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> I guess that's up to you Yani, and how much of a financial analyst, home mechanic and/or consumer you are. Very often, bad gear changes start with dirty and/or worn chain, then worn out or dry cable. I won't assume you keep these clean and new - so try it out. If you've left the chain too long and stretched it a lot, then you will have stuffed the cassette and maybe a chainring or two. If the frame is fine, you can make it a decent bike again, and even upgrade to better brakes, better gears, or whatever is stuffed. What exactly is stuffed? Chances are it's brake pads, cables and housing, chain, cassette and the middle ring only, and these are inexpensive on lower/mid range bikes, if you shop well - and they are consumables that you should be counting on replacing periodically anyway (along with oil). A couple of bearings too maybe, but if you start getting into new headset, new crankset, hubs or wheels (mostly from lack of maintenance), then the price mounts up and maybe it's best to turn it over to an enthusiast or someone who needs a clunker. Do you pay for repairs, or hunt down the parts and fix it yourself? This will make a large difference to the price, since parts and labour can cost a lot. Some repairs like a bearing are trickier than others, but websites like Park Tools make these things much easier to handle than if you have no idea. Some online shops are really great to deal with, cheap and fast with good ranges and stock. If you like shiny stuff, I'm sure you can drive a good bargain on a new bike - my local place is throwing in helmet and shoes and kit at the moment - always some special on, or just go for 20% off the price. Pete From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Yani Sent: Wednesday, 4 February 2009 5:08 PM To: 'BikeQld' Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" Yani - Can you have a look at why my gear change is impossible to tune? Bikeshop - "You have flogged it, how far have you been riding, it needs new gears all round, a chain and likely new bearing real soon. It's reached its duty limit." So much for my Giant mountain bike. Now the question is do I pass the bike on to someone who wants a cycle for the garage and get a new one or do I spent $300 on repairs sometime in the next 6 months? It's only 4 years old so it look just fine. If I hadn't asked I'd have thought it was worth $400 s/h (at a pinch). Sell it and upgrade or repair it? Giant Rincon with rim breaks. It's been a great bike, obviously been good to me. In pretty much perfect condition bar the miles I've done. Nice black one. What is the consensus? Repair bikes or replace them when they get plenty of use? Yani -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090204/177bcede/attachment-0001.htm From akayani at aapt.net.au Wed Feb 4 04:52:27 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Wed Feb 4 04:52:43 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" opinion In-Reply-To: References: <200902040709.n1479IRB006799@laika.gnusto.com> Message-ID: <36E693F799D6410890C95B45BFE1EC05@maud> That is getting close to matching my experience. I think I need to get the bike shop to assess the rims. I?d be more likely to fix the car than the bike. Bike shops seem to do it right at very little cost. Yea I thin $400 was really pushing it I was hoping someone would react and give me a real number. I think I have 6 months to decide providing I can deal with a bit of roughness in the drive train. But as you say it?s overdue now. ;) More Oil! I guess I have to fix it for all the reasons started and because I?d feel guilty if I sold it to a mate knowing it?s ? dead. Not sure I could be arsed with mucking about with 3 chains. But I clearly should. Yani PS: I have a letter here from the Mayor. They gave the local shopkeepers the 1 2 3. If you have an issue with compliance on the footpath the Regional Manager (northern region) is Mr Mark Richardson, Compliance and Regulation, Tel 3403 8888. I?ve reported another issue. Seems there are a lot of dead maggies near the path at Wavell High and Kedron Street. I noticed 3 within 2 feet of each other. That don?t sound ?natural? to me. I?ve noticed about 7 in 2 years within 10 metres of this spot. Never see dead maggies anywhere else. It will be interesting to see what council do to follow up on that. I did offer to bag them and bring them into the office. They are about 3 weeks dead and pretty gooey. We shot a bird with an air riffle when we were kids. Mum made us pluck it, cook it and eat it. We didn?t shoot any more after that! ;) _____ From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Aaron Wray Sent: February 4, 2009 7:55 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" opinion Yani I can sympathise. I went through this process last year with my Giant XTC2 I was using for commuting. I decided to get a new bike as I wanted disc brakes for the increased stopping power in the dry and most importantly in the wet. In addition I was wearing through rims at an alarming rate. I generally keep them until I get sick of spending money on them and newer models give me better features then upgrade. I also kept my old one and upgraded the wheels and put discs on it so I have it as my weekender take my nephews out on the wee ride and tagalong (It also has minimal extras to remove at parks etc unlike my new commuter also an XTC2). Environmentally you maybe better off keeping it and fixing it although Bicycle Revolutions will always take your bike in any condition and make something out of it. You could buy a lot of the stuff online if you are that way inclined and save quite a bit of money if you can do it yourself. The drivechain on a bike really is a disposable object I can generally get 1yr out of a chain and cluster. I think it would have been a rather tall order to get that much for your bike as I found a new 2008 model for around $500. Some thoughts. Cheers Aaron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090204/5df60ec0/attachment.htm From bulk at ingramtech.com Wed Feb 4 04:54:18 2009 From: bulk at ingramtech.com (Dave Ingram) Date: Wed Feb 4 04:56:52 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] bus racks on buses Christchurch but NOT Brisbane In-Reply-To: <20090204023312.TJJF12531.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20090204023312.TJJF12531.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <498973DA.20407@ingramtech.com> Michael Yeates wrote: > One Ilam/Mt Pleasant bus, one Northern Star bus to Rangiora and > Kaiapoi and one Redwood bus also had bike racks fitted as part of the > trial. These are good runs for a trial. It is 25km or so from the centre of Christchurch to Kiapoi, and another 20km or so on to Rangiora. Ilam is a waste of time 6km from the city, but Mt Pleasant is a windy nasty trip. > The ten services involving hills and/or significant distances which > will soon be retendered and will require bike-carrying racks as part > of their contracts are to Halswell, Kennedy?s Bush, Styx > Mill/Westmorland, Harewood/Dyers Pass, Bishopdale/Major Aitken, > Airport/Sumner, Ilam/Mt Pleasant, Lyttelton/Rapaki, > Riccarton/Heathcote and St Albans/Huntsbury. The bike racks would be > ready for the newly contracted services in November. These are 'hills' that get up to 600m or so, instead of the 250m 'mountain' we have in Brisbane :-) Not surprising that Ecan (I still think of it as the Canterbury Regional Council) can get this right on the buses -- they've had smart card ticketing for years and have managed a system to cap the amount you spend per day so you'd be no worse off than a daily ticket. Translink could learn much! Dave. -- David Ingram (VK4TDI) To avoid spam trap, send email to dave at ingramtech dot com Brisbane, Queensland, Australia W: http://www.ingramtech.com/ MH: QG62lm From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Wed Feb 4 06:46:08 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Wed Feb 4 06:50:12 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Spare steel frames (was Re: Bikeshop... "you've flogged it") In-Reply-To: <33384.124.176.183.183.1233736934.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> <33384.124.176.183.183.1233736934.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> Message-ID: <20090204221859.A15294@singha.lister.id.au> On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, telstar@cfsmtb.net wrote: > If anyone knows of a motherlode of small steel road frames email me off > list. ;) Uh oh... that sounds worryingly like the desperate plea of a helpless fixie addict. Tell us it's not so, Chris? Ian From telstar at cfsmtb.net Wed Feb 4 07:23:07 2009 From: telstar at cfsmtb.net (telstar@cfsmtb.net) Date: Wed Feb 4 07:24:01 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Spare steel frames (was Re: Bikeshop... "you've flogged it") In-Reply-To: <20090204221859.A15294@singha.lister.id.au> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> <33384.124.176.183.183.1233736934.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> <20090204221859.A15294@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <35211.124.176.183.183.1233753787.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> Er, no, I don't really care much for that somewhat dated cliche, although it's personal choice whether you just like fixies or have gone a few steps too far with the whole thing. It's more to do with the amount of, or the lack of, ladies step through frames or smaller frames that people want build up for either utility or commuting purposes here in Melboring. Maybe a similar zeitgeist will develop in BrisVegas soon? A couple of years ago you couldn't get proper money for scrap for them, now they're in high demand. The Bloke and I do have an interest in such matters, as we're opening a cafe right next door to these purveyors of quality bicycles & servicing: http://www.humanpowered.com.au/ Probably open by later in Feb so feel free to visit if you're in Melbs for a coffee & chat. ;) cheers, Chris > On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, telstar@cfsmtb.net wrote: >> If anyone knows of a motherlode of small steel road frames email me off >> list. ;) > > Uh oh... that sounds worryingly like the desperate plea of a helpless > fixie addict. Tell us it's not so, Chris? > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > -- ---------------------------------------- Don't get involved in partial problems, but always take flight to where there is a free view over the whole single great problem, even if this view is still not a clear one - Ludwig Wittgenstein http://cfsmtb.net http://www.woj.com.au http://www.ycat.org.au http://www.yarrabug.org/radio http://www.melbournecyclist.com ---------------------------------------- From michael at yeatesit.biz Wed Feb 4 15:41:05 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Wed Feb 4 15:41:16 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] some ideas from O/s Message-ID: <20090204214100.EHWR12531.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Hi ... Those providing cycling facilities often seem to be at a loss as to where to put them (given so many don't seem to have a rational or useful start point or they suddenly end where most needed) .. but one target for encouraging cycling is to provide facilities that give access to bus and train stations ... Now if Texas "can do" it, surely .... And if REDUCING rather building more roads and tunnels etc improves congestion .... MY..................... From CentreLines #220 ... BICYCLE LANES COMING TO DALLAS (TX) -> According to a Jan. 21st 33-TV News story, "Travis James doesn't own a car. He doesn't need to. He lives in Uptown Dallas and he can ride his bicycle to and from work. Also, James figures this way he is getting more exercise, and reducing traffic congestion and pollution. James admits sometimes riding on the city's streets scares him. He wishes the city had bike lanes. 'It would give us a safe route down the streets as opposed to having to weave in and out of traffic,' James said. Those lanes are on the way. Dallas has received a $375,000 grant from the North Texas Council of Governments to develop something called 'complete streets.' That refers to streets that actually accommodate all sorts of transit, whether it's cars, bicycles or pedestrians. "The program will mainly focus on bike lanes that lead to bus and rail stations. Also, bike lanes that lead to the Katy Trail, which is very popular with bicycle riders in Uptown. The program is modeled after cities like Chicago, Portland, Oregon and Vancouver, British Columbia. Jane Smith won't ride her bicycle off the Katy Trail, but she says she might start that with the creation of new bike lanes. 'Yeah, I would. Of course it still wouldn't be as safe as the trail. You know those Texas Drivers,' Smith said..." 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The only option is to find a tap to run a longer thread on a std set of forks - haven't found a tap yet! Alternatively - anyone who has a fork to suit a head tube ~130-140mm long I'll get it! 26" wheel, v-brakes, dah can't remember if it's 1" or 1 1/8"... its probably the more difficult one to find. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Ian Lister" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Spare steel frames (was Re: Bikeshop... "you've flogged it") > Er, no, I don't really care much for that somewhat dated cliche, although > it's personal choice whether you just like fixies or have gone a few steps > too far with the whole thing. It's more to do with the amount of, or the > lack of, ladies step through frames or smaller frames that people want > build up for either utility or commuting purposes here in Melboring. Maybe > a similar zeitgeist will develop in BrisVegas soon? > > A couple of years ago you couldn't get proper money for scrap for them, > now they're in high demand. The Bloke and I do have an interest in such > matters, as we're opening a cafe right next door to these purveyors of > quality bicycles & servicing: > > http://www.humanpowered.com.au/ > > Probably open by later in Feb so feel free to visit if you're in Melbs for > a coffee & chat. ;) > > cheers, > > Chris > > > >> On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, telstar@cfsmtb.net wrote: >>> If anyone knows of a motherlode of small steel road frames email me off >>> list. ;) >> >> Uh oh... that sounds worryingly like the desperate plea of a helpless >> fixie addict. Tell us it's not so, Chris? >> >> Ian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bikeqld mailing list >> bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >> This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. >> > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > Don't get involved in partial problems, > but always take flight to where there is > a free view over the whole single great > problem, even if this view is still not > a clear one - Ludwig Wittgenstein > > http://cfsmtb.net > http://www.woj.com.au > http://www.ycat.org.au > http://www.yarrabug.org/radio > http://www.melbournecyclist.com > ---------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > From kim at teegee.com.au Wed Feb 4 16:53:18 2009 From: kim at teegee.com.au (kim) Date: Wed Feb 4 16:54:40 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] some ideas from O/s In-Reply-To: <20090204214100.EHWR12531.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20090204214100.EHWR12531.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <498A1C5E.8010304@teegee.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090205/b3cb68b6/attachment-0001.htm From matt at people.net.au Thu Feb 5 01:23:24 2009 From: matt at people.net.au (Matt) Date: Thu Feb 5 01:23:42 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Re: Armco barriers and OH&S In-Reply-To: <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> Message-ID: <02ef01c98762$a21c05a0$e65410e0$@net.au> If MR and QT gave a rat's arse about road users other than those in cars - they wouldn't be using Armco and that steel cable stuff on the highways. The simple fact is that if you're on two wheels - you don't rate. From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of kim Sent: Wednesday, 4 February 2009 11:14 AM To: BikeQld Subject: [bikeqld] Re: Armco barriers and OH&S Pete, Agree with you wholeheartedly on the the barrier issue. The problem is a lot greater on the pointy side which often faces the shared paths. I have mentioned it directly to the Active Transport folk in BCC and even took in some photos to show them. I used the Fig Tree Road overpass as an example as this is part of the bikeway network joining the Cubberla Ck bikeway to the Western Freeway and it is a narrow shared path. I got no interest or response from ATU. In fact they have specifically said that they do not have the resources to get involved in the "minutiae" of the cycleway designs. The Fig Tree Pocket Rd one was a bit interesting as there is a section where some effort has been made to protect the back of the rail from a glancing strike and I note that the new style of support posts have C sections with rounded corners rather than the older 'U' sections with sharp corners, but are still not capped. I am presuming this protection was retrofitted after some complaint. I am not even sure if that is MR or BCC jurisdiction on that particular section. I think MR are more aware of the high speed barrier risk issues re motorcylists and bus overturns etc. I stuck some pictures up on the Wiki here: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Kenmore_-_Fig_Tree_Pocket_Rd_-_Armco_rail_str ike_risk Kim Peter Whittle wrote: Gents Please tell me your thoughts on this: One of the windmills I tilt against is Armco barriers at the side of cycle paths. Two examples are on Brisbane Road at Toowong on the UQ route, and at the top of Fairfield Road (actually Cornwall St) by the Dutton Park Cemetery. The barriers have sharp, hard edges on their poles, that would be very dangerous in the event of a fall. They would be easily capped, but no. By way of analogy, reinforcing rod on building sites and star posts must now be capped. I have twice asked BCC, through councillors Abrahams and Johnston, what is their policy on use of these barriers, and the question has twice been ignored. Admittedly the question has been mixed with others. One response said the Armco had to be there to protect cyclists from errant cars, which is sensible but missing the point. I am wondering about my next approach, whether to specifically ask the Lord Mayor to comment on the safety of these barriers to cyclists and pedestrians and hence on their appropriate use. Alternatively, I can approach the body responsible for OH&S and say these are hazards for people on their way to work and ask them to investigate and inform me. I would be grateful for comments from sensible and knowledgeable people as yourselves, else please give me your agreement to do this under the banner of SWBrisBUG. Cheers. Pete 0434 729 855 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Find out more From busrail at fastmail.fm Thu Feb 5 03:12:33 2009 From: busrail at fastmail.fm (Norm Morwood) Date: Thu Feb 5 03:13:14 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] $8 million 750-bike RBWH cycle centre to provide jobsandease congestion In-Reply-To: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE051D5C8FF4@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <003501c98771$e20655d0$0201010a@Betty> Hey Pete, don't forget all the people who will ride to the RBH cycle centre then shower and change and catch the bus to the city to work. So says the minister. Seems an unlikely way to travel to me. Ride in to Herston, pay for the centre and then pay for public transport to save another 3 km ride? Maybe you already took this into account Pete. Regards, Norm. 07 5442 2916, 0409 63 99 44 140 Blackall Range Rd Woombye Qld 4559 Disclaimer: Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive, anyway. http://256.com/gray/quotes/misc.html -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Whittle Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2009 4:21 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: RE: [bikeqld] $8 million 750-bike RBWH cycle centre to provide jobsandease congestion 750 spaces for 18,000 people per day = 4.2% A start. _____ From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Richard Hockey Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2009 12:43 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] $8 million 750-bike RBWH cycle centre to provide jobs andease congestion http://statements.cabinet.qld.gov.au/MMS/StatementDisplaySingle.aspx?id= 62493 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We need to find a way to get through to dick head and co or if it's allowed to continue there are going to be serious and regular accidents. And naturally it will be the cyclists fault. And we need some TV education for the ped that think they own the path. If they encourage X4 more cyclists to ride to work, which isn't that many in total numbers, we are heading to serious danger if something isn't changed. And it's not the old stuff that is the issue but what they have done in the last 5 years. It's sad. In fact old bus shelters are clearly more than fine. Real idiot stuff like a traffic light controller 5 foot long that instead of being long side parallel to the road sits there like some work of art at right angle to the road. Why? Where the hell are the brains! http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/cycling/DSCN4411.jpg When I went past there was nothing to detour. but even if there was no crap sign there is still FA space because of green boxes. http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/cycling/DSCN4413.jpg Even a temporary ramp to a shop is more important than footpath users. Even when the shop is clearly closing down! It wouldn't shit me off so much if it wasn't so damn brain dead! Seriously there were 5 peds for 50 cyclists. And I was only on that part of the path for 5-10 minutes. And every time you went in front of a car going towards town they were looking the opposite direction. And I know they just love to go forward without looking the other way as I've been hit before so I'm way cautious. The other side is unusable. We need to work out a strategy to get the point across. It's nothing more than pig ignorant brain dead bullshite. Yani -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090206/31f21281/attachment.htm From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Thu Feb 5 19:22:58 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Thu Feb 5 19:23:28 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Spare steel frames (was Re: Bikeshop... "you've flogged it") In-Reply-To: <35211.124.176.183.183.1233753787.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> <33384.124.176.183.183.1233736934.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> <20090204221859.A15294@singha.lister.id.au> <35211.124.176.183.183.1233753787.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> Message-ID: <20090206101139.T15294@singha.lister.id.au> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, telstar@cfsmtb.net wrote: > Er, no, I don't really care much for that somewhat dated cliche, although > it's personal choice whether you just like fixies or have gone a few steps > too far with the whole thing. Phew, that's good to hear :). A bit of recreational use is fine of course, but I'm sure we've all lost friends who have slipped too far down the slope. BTW it might be dated, but I sure saw quite a few fixies when I was down in Melbourne last week, more than I've ever seen in Brisbane. > It's more to do with the amount of, or the lack of, ladies step through > frames or smaller frames that people want build up for either utility or > commuting purposes here in Melboring. Maybe a similar zeitgeist will > develop in BrisVegas soon? What, cycling for practical purposes? Surely not! > A couple of years ago you couldn't get proper money for scrap for them, > now they're in high demand. I blame the fixie craze... > The Bloke and I do have an interest in such matters, as we're opening a > cafe right next door to these purveyors of quality bicycles & servicing: > > http://www.humanpowered.com.au/ Best wishes for that venture. Are you no longer with the CPF? > Probably open by later in Feb so feel free to visit if you're in Melbs for > a coffee & chat. ;) Thanks Chris, Ian From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Thu Feb 5 19:37:01 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Thu Feb 5 19:39:39 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" In-Reply-To: <001a01c986b1$dcc45ec0$964d1c40$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> <001a01c986b1$dcc45ec0$964d1c40$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20090206112416.N15294@singha.lister.id.au> On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Peter Whittle wrote: > If the frame is fine, you can make it a decent bike again, and even upgrade > to better brakes, better gears, or whatever is stuffed. What exactly is > stuffed? Chances are it's brake pads, cables and housing, chain, cassette > and the middle ring only, and these are inexpensive on lower/mid range > bikes, if you shop well - and they are consumables that you should be > counting on replacing periodically anyway (along with oil). [snip] I was surprised to hear yesterday from my LBS that I should replace my cables and housing every six months. No doubt that's at the more frequent end of the scale, but I had always thought of them as lasting many years. Is component life generally getting shorter, or am I just becoming a better consumer? Has the continuous reduction in weight and size (e.g. chain width) caused this, is it a case of designing components to be consumable rather than long-lasting, or has it always been this way? Am I just a cheap old b.stard for not wanting to replace a signficant portion of the parts on my bike every six months? Ian From akayani at aapt.net.au Thu Feb 5 21:12:59 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Thu Feb 5 21:13:20 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Footpaths again In-Reply-To: <20090206112416.N15294@singha.lister.id.au> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au><4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au><001a01c986b1$dcc45ec0$964d1c40$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> <20090206112416.N15294@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <92B22C0E0E864C55863541C80B5C7C25@maud> No ne could claim I haven't done my bit to kick some sense into chitty hall. Dear Councillors and Mayor, http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=map+kedron+street+brisbane&oe=utf-8&rls=org .mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=au&sa=X&oi =geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/council/DSCN4401.jpg http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/council/DSCN4403.jpg http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/council/DSCN4404.jpg Needless to say council won't be getting the 'good gardener's award' from footpath users. That is like a little corner of the world. But cycling to town last night from Lutwyche to the city there are trees overhanging the path everywhere. When it rains the situation is made much worst as the weight of the rain drops the branches even further. Cycling in last night along the Lutwyche to RBH footpath in the west side of the road I counted 50 cyclists on the footpath and only 2 on the road. And I'm travelling in a counter direction to those leaving town, that was about a 10 minute period. In the same time I noted only 5 pedestrians. Seriously and I mean seriously, those Adshells are creating real danger points. Not just for the interaction of cyclists and bus stop users but for cyclists and cyclists. There is absolutely NO consideration of who is actually using these footpaths, only council's joy in sub contracting responsibility for bus shelters to the advertising mafia. I guess we will have to wait for the injury score to mount before council act. http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/council/DSCN4411.jpg WHY? There was no detour! But look at the placement of the green box and the light controller. This is what happens when there is NO policy that ensure the footpath is maximised. It's being treated as a utility zone by every Tom, Dick and Harry. Commuter cycling is the number one use for these paths. Why is reality so difficult to get through to Council? http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/council/DSCN4413.jpg Even a shop that is closing down gets more attention. In 10 years Council and Co have added green power boxes that were never needed and are little more than a cheap way out of doing power install, Adshells and allowed totally out of control footpath behaviour to become the norm. All while claiming to be cycle friendly. Meanwhile my estimate is that only 1:25 cyclists are using the road with the balance using mountain bikes on the footpath. (Council could get better stats with a couple of cameras and a survey.) In any case you have had plenty of quality advice and advisors on the issue of cycling and know just as well as the path users that Council is allowing a massive issue to develop. One that will lead to injury. If there is a choice between free clean bus shelters and pathway incidents only idiots would choose the former while promoting cycling. Yani From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Thu Feb 5 21:18:51 2009 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Thu Feb 5 21:19:02 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] $8 million 750-bike RBWH cycle centre to provide jobs andease congestion References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE051D5C8FF4@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <345627.10288.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks Peter, I just wish that Energex would equally enlighten about its new building (under construction) in Newstead :-(. Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ From: Peter Whittle To: "bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au" Sent: Thursday, 5 February, 2009 4:21:23 PM Subject: RE: [bikeqld] $8 million 750-bike RBWH cycle centre to provide jobs andease congestion 750 spaces for 18,000 people per day = 4.2% A start. ________________________________ From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Richard Hockey Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2009 12:43 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] $8 million 750-bike RBWH cycle centre to provide jobs andease congestion http://statements.cabinet.qld.gov.au/MMS/StatementDisplaySingle.aspx?id=62493 Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090205/649e7c81/attachment.htm From viller at itee.uq.edu.au Thu Feb 5 21:56:00 2009 From: viller at itee.uq.edu.au (Stephen Viller) Date: Thu Feb 5 21:56:07 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" In-Reply-To: <20090206112416.N15294@singha.lister.id.au> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> <001a01c986b1$dcc45ec0$964d1c40$%whittle@optusnet.com.au> <20090206112416.N15294@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <2321C7D1-501E-4076-8E2D-AC95ED845AED@itee.uq.edu.au> On 06/02/2009, at 11:37 am, Ian Lister wrote: > On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Peter Whittle wrote: >> If the frame is fine, you can make it a decent bike again, and even >> upgrade >> to better brakes, better gears, or whatever is stuffed. What >> exactly is >> stuffed? Chances are it's brake pads, cables and housing, chain, >> cassette >> and the middle ring only, and these are inexpensive on lower/mid >> range >> bikes, if you shop well - and they are consumables that you should be >> counting on replacing periodically anyway (along with oil). > [snip] > > I was surprised to hear yesterday from my LBS that I should replace > my cables and housing every six months. No doubt that's at the more > frequent end of the scale, but I had always thought of them as > lasting many years. > > Is component life generally getting shorter, or am I just becoming a > better consumer? Has the continuous reduction in weight and size > (e.g. chain width) caused this, is it a case of designing components > to be consumable rather than long-lasting, or has it always been > this way? Am I just a cheap old b.stard for not wanting to replace a > signficant portion of the parts on my bike every six months? My 9 year old (steel frame :)) road bike is still running it's original chainset (Campag 9 speed triple). I've taken it to various bike shops for servicing (Lifecycle most recently) and always make a point of asking about the chain in particular. Each time they check it and tell me it's still not stretched to point of needing to be replaced. In the mean time, my 7 year old mountain bike (Shimano LX) has gone through 3 chains, 2 cassettes, and a new crankset/chainrings. This is with predominantly road use for commuting. I've only recently changed the cables on the mountain bike as I upgraded to disk brakes, otherwise everything like that is original. I know what groupset I'll be going for on my next road bike... --Stephen. From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Thu Feb 5 23:31:52 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Thu Feb 5 23:32:48 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Peter's February e-news (fwd) Message-ID: <20090206152901.T15294@singha.lister.id.au> There's a lot of coverage of cycling in (Toowong Ward Liberal National) Councillor Peter Matic's current newsletter - almost half the content. In some ways that's even more interesting than the individual items (which have mostly already been covered here, I think). See below (non-cycling content snipped). Cheers, Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cr Peter Matic Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:54:11 +1100 Subject: Peter's February e-news Cr Peter Matic's February e-News Council seeks feedback on mountain biking As Chair of Environment, Sustainability & Parks, I have just announced Council has launched an on-line consultation between February 6 and April 24. This survey will help establish what people want from green and open spaces and whether mountain biking would be suitable for these spaces. Currently, bike riding is only permitted within Mt Coot-tha Forest on designated trails. Council has already heard from parts of the mountain biking community and environmentalists - this survey is being undertaken to hear from the wider community. Sustaining and protecting public green and open spaces will always be Council's priority, but the challenge will be to balance recreational facilities with environmental conservation. The questionnaire will enable Council to find out what activities people do, and also what they would like to be able to do in these spaces. To take part, please visit Council's website on www.brisbane.qld.gov.au [snip] Bicentennial shared pathway upgrade As part of the Lord Mayor's record $100 million investment in bikeway infrastructure, Brisbane City Council is planning an upgrade of the Bicentennial shared pathway. The Bicentennial shared pathway is an important link in Brisbane's bicycle and pedestrian network. Each day, it carries more than 4000 pedestrians and cyclists. Stage One of the project involves upgrades to 400m of existing shared pathway between Cribb Street and Park Road, including: * Separating pedestrian and cylist movements * Constructing a 3m wide cycle path * Constructing a 2.5m wide pedestrian path The project has commenced and is expected to conclude in July 2009, weather and approvals permitting. Project works for Stage One will be carried out in four parts, with each part involving a 100m stretch of pathway that will take an estimated six weeks to complete. Partial closures of the shared pathway are expected during construction and, wherever possible, will be limited to the 100m stretch of bikeway relevant to the construction stage underway. Delays will be kept to a minimum during peak times and traffic controllers will be present to manage traffic flow throughout construction. Please do not hesitate to contact the project team on 1800 727 923 between 9am and 5pm Monday to Friday or email on bikewayprojects@brisbane.qld.gov.au should you have any questions about the project. [snip] Lord Mayor's Bike Hire Scheme Rolls into Action Brisbane cyclists will be able to access free bicycles at 150 locations from St Lucia to Newstead in Australia's first bike hire scheme. Council has signed a 20 year contract for the installation, operation and maintenance of the innovative new bicycle scheme. >From March next year, Brisbane residents and tourists will be able to access one of 2000 bikes, which will be accessible by swipe card. Subscription to the scheme will cost $55 a year or $25 a quarter (casual users will pay $10 a day), with the first 30 minutes use free and the bike docking stations will operat 5am to 10pm every day of the year. From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Fri Feb 6 00:15:06 2009 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Fri Feb 6 00:15:20 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Peter's February e-news (fwd) References: <20090206152901.T15294@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <61384.34311.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks for that Ian. In some way I was quite happy with the temporary construction that the HSL people have done. With respect to the upgrade of the other parts of Coro drive, I just hope that they will take a more holistic approach to cycling. I mean it is wonderful that they are putting in such a huge cycling centre near the RBH but the little experience I have no north side cycling is not pleasant. Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ From: Ian Lister To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Sent: Friday, 6 February, 2009 3:31:52 PM Subject: [bikeqld] Peter's February e-news (fwd) There's a lot of coverage of cycling in (Toowong Ward Liberal National) Councillor Peter Matic's current newsletter - almost half the content. In some ways that's even more interesting than the individual items (which have mostly already been covered here, I think). See below (non-cycling content snipped). Cheers, Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cr Peter Matic Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:54:11 +1100 Subject: Peter's February e-news Cr Peter Matic's February e-News Council seeks feedback on mountain biking As Chair of Environment, Sustainability & Parks, I have just announced Council has launched an on-line consultation between February 6 and April 24. This survey will help establish what people want from green and open spaces and whether mountain biking would be suitable for these spaces. Currently, bike riding is only permitted within Mt Coot-tha Forest on designated trails. Council has already heard from parts of the mountain biking community and environmentalists - this survey is being undertaken to hear from the wider community. Sustaining and protecting public green and open spaces will always be Council's priority, but the challenge will be to balance recreational facilities with environmental conservation. The questionnaire will enable Council to find out what activities people do, and also what they would like to be able to do in these spaces. To take part, please visit Council's website on www.brisbane.qld.gov.au [snip] Bicentennial shared pathway upgrade As part of the Lord Mayor's record $100 million investment in bikeway infrastructure, Brisbane City Council is planning an upgrade of the Bicentennial shared pathway. The Bicentennial shared pathway is an important link in Brisbane's bicycle and pedestrian network. Each day, it carries more than 4000 pedestrians and cyclists. Stage One of the project involves upgrades to 400m of existing shared pathway between Cribb Street and Park Road, including: * Separating pedestrian and cylist movements * Constructing a 3m wide cycle path * Constructing a 2.5m wide pedestrian path The project has commenced and is expected to conclude in July 2009, weather and approvals permitting. Project works for Stage One will be carried out in four parts, with each part involving a 100m stretch of pathway that will take an estimated six weeks to complete. Partial closures of the shared pathway are expected during construction and, wherever possible, will be limited to the 100m stretch of bikeway relevant to the construction stage underway. Delays will be kept to a minimum during peak times and traffic controllers will be present to manage traffic flow throughout construction. Please do not hesitate to contact the project team on 1800 727 923 between 9am and 5pm Monday to Friday or email on bikewayprojects@brisbane.qld.gov.au should you have any questions about the project. [snip] Lord Mayor's Bike Hire Scheme Rolls into Action Brisbane cyclists will be able to access free bicycles at 150 locations from St Lucia to Newstead in Australia's first bike hire scheme. Council has signed a 20 year contract for the installation, operation and maintenance of the innovative new bicycle scheme. > From March next year, Brisbane residents and tourists will be able to access one of 2000 bikes, which will be accessible by swipe card. Subscription to the scheme will cost $55 a year or $25 a quarter (casual users will pay $10 a day), with the first 30 minutes use free and the bike docking stations will operat 5am to 10pm every day of the year. _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090205/9900cee7/attachment-0001.htm From ben at creative-engineering.com.au Fri Feb 6 02:28:23 2009 From: ben at creative-engineering.com.au (Ben Guymer) Date: Fri Feb 6 02:28:38 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au><4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au><001a01c986b1$dcc45ec0$964d1c40$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> <20090206112416.N15294@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: > Is component life generally getting shorter, or am I just becoming a > better consumer? My guess is that the components are being made slightly better than before, but are probably more sensitive to small amounts of wear... going from 8 speed to 10 speed would be an example of that - ie the cable movement probably hasn't changed since 8 speed but they're 10/8 (squared?) times more sensitive to misadjustment. Ben From kim at teegee.com.au Fri Feb 6 05:28:53 2009 From: kim at teegee.com.au (kim) Date: Fri Feb 6 05:30:17 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Anzac Park track Message-ID: <498C1EF5.40202@teegee.com.au> Has anyone noticed whether the bike path through Anzac Park at Toowong near to the works site at Dean St got cleaned up? I had noticed that there was a lot of mud and debris on the track from trucks and equipment going in and out of that holding yard. Problem too, was that they just drove over the solar LED lamps and covered a couple up. They also put deep wheel tracks adjacent to the edge of the track driving in the newly laid bit. It was a bit hard to see if they cracked any of the concrete but I would not be surprised. I initially reported it to MR as the work seemed to be on their road reserve and I thought it was related to the overpass project. They told me it was a contractor working for Energex and so I got onto the contractor and told them of the mess. They apologised for creating it and said they would have it all clean by the end of the day and keep it that way. Unfortunately I had to get back down south before I could check it out, but I would like to know how clean they got it or if indeed they bothered. kim From pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au Fri Feb 6 06:33:44 2009 From: pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Fri Feb 6 06:33:56 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" In-Reply-To: <20090206112416.N15294@singha.lister.id.au> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> <4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au> <001a01c986b1$dcc45ec0$964d1c40$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> <20090206112416.N15294@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <002601c98857$2847b490$78d71db0$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> Cables and housings simply work better when they are new and they wear fairly quickly and have more friction. They still work, sort of, better with oil than without. Thus it ever was. It's up to you. Do you care how well your bike works, or not? As to chain width, I wish for the power to snap chains. P -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Ian Lister Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 11:37 AM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: RE: [bikeqld] Bikeshop... "you've flogged it" On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Peter Whittle wrote: > If the frame is fine, you can make it a decent bike again, and even upgrade > to better brakes, better gears, or whatever is stuffed. What exactly is > stuffed? Chances are it's brake pads, cables and housing, chain, cassette > and the middle ring only, and these are inexpensive on lower/mid range > bikes, if you shop well - and they are consumables that you should be > counting on replacing periodically anyway (along with oil). [snip] I was surprised to hear yesterday from my LBS that I should replace my cables and housing every six months. No doubt that's at the more frequent end of the scale, but I had always thought of them as lasting many years. Is component life generally getting shorter, or am I just becoming a better consumer? Has the continuous reduction in weight and size (e.g. chain width) caused this, is it a case of designing components to be consumable rather than long-lasting, or has it always been this way? Am I just a cheap old b.stard for not wanting to replace a signficant portion of the parts on my bike every six months? Ian _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au Fri Feb 6 06:33:44 2009 From: pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Fri Feb 6 06:34:05 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Footpaths again In-Reply-To: <92B22C0E0E864C55863541C80B5C7C25@maud> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au><4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au><001a01c986b1$dcc45ec0$964d1c40$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> <20090206112416.N15294@singha.lister.id.au> <92B22C0E0E864C55863541C80B5C7C25@maud> Message-ID: <002501c98857$277aa090$766fe1b0$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> Yani Have you ever called the BCC hotline 3403 8888 open 24/7 and asked them nicely to prune the offending garden? A polite request works pretty well, in my experience. These are your neighbours doing their job. Frankly if some yob wrote offensive letters to me or anyone who worked for me, I would down-prioritise him or blacklist him. As to the Ads-hells, you have a point, but abuse will get you nowhere. Pete -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Yani Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 1:13 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Footpaths again No ne could claim I haven't done my bit to kick some sense into chitty hall. Dear Councillors and Mayor, http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=map+kedron+street+brisbane&oe=utf-8&rls=org .mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=au&sa=X&oi =geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/council/DSCN4401.jpg http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/council/DSCN4403.jpg http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/council/DSCN4404.jpg Needless to say council won't be getting the 'good gardener's award' from footpath users. That is like a little corner of the world. But cycling to town last night from Lutwyche to the city there are trees overhanging the path everywhere. When it rains the situation is made much worst as the weight of the rain drops the branches even further. Cycling in last night along the Lutwyche to RBH footpath in the west side of the road I counted 50 cyclists on the footpath and only 2 on the road. And I'm travelling in a counter direction to those leaving town, that was about a 10 minute period. In the same time I noted only 5 pedestrians. Seriously and I mean seriously, those Adshells are creating real danger points. Not just for the interaction of cyclists and bus stop users but for cyclists and cyclists. There is absolutely NO consideration of who is actually using these footpaths, only council's joy in sub contracting responsibility for bus shelters to the advertising mafia. I guess we will have to wait for the injury score to mount before council act. http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/council/DSCN4411.jpg WHY? There was no detour! But look at the placement of the green box and the light controller. This is what happens when there is NO policy that ensure the footpath is maximised. It's being treated as a utility zone by every Tom, Dick and Harry. Commuter cycling is the number one use for these paths. Why is reality so difficult to get through to Council? http://people.aapt.net.au/~theyan/council/DSCN4413.jpg Even a shop that is closing down gets more attention. In 10 years Council and Co have added green power boxes that were never needed and are little more than a cheap way out of doing power install, Adshells and allowed totally out of control footpath behaviour to become the norm. All while claiming to be cycle friendly. Meanwhile my estimate is that only 1:25 cyclists are using the road with the balance using mountain bikes on the footpath. (Council could get better stats with a couple of cameras and a survey.) In any case you have had plenty of quality advice and advisors on the issue of cycling and know just as well as the path users that Council is allowing a massive issue to develop. One that will lead to injury. If there is a choice between free clean bus shelters and pathway incidents only idiots would choose the former while promoting cycling. Yani _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From akayani at aapt.net.au Fri Feb 6 08:32:49 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Fri Feb 6 08:33:12 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Footpaths again In-Reply-To: <002501c98857$277aa090$766fe1b0$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> References: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE038588E352@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au><4988EBF3.6020006@teegee.com.au><001a01c986b1$dcc45ec0$964d1c40$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> <20090206112416.N15294@singha.lister.id.au> <92B22C0E0E864C55863541C80B5C7C25@maud> <002501c98857$277aa090$766fe1b0$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Did you think that was too strongly worded? I had to re-read it to take on what you are saying... If there is a choice between free clean bus shelters and pathway incidents only idiots would choose the former while promoting cycling. Idiots was polite as really I think they are fheads with shite for brains whose sole interest is making the job as big a public con as possible while spending millions of dollars with contractors that are known to pay backhanders to both political parties and individuals. Frankly I think they are just plain avoiding maintenance. I don't think they give a damn at all. If they did they would have a website where complains were reported in the open and resolutions tracked. Most of these areas mentions need maintenance at regular intervals. They have subcontracted responsibility to the lowest quote and they are getting exactly the service they pay for. In fact they have community groups who pull together on weekends to pick up the slack. They have had great advice which they ignore both internally and externally. And a situation which should be getting better is getting worse. The whole thing is based on doing it on the cheap, being non-responsible and having no strong specifications. This is coming directly from elected councillors. Sure it's much cheaper to hire a contractor that pays minimum wages and casual rates than to have real council employees. They had major theft at council yards and some pretty shifty unsakeable workers. Let the councillor go down there herself and think about how to manage her electorate. Even if that is by photo only. Adshells will be removed or more correctly positioned with some consideration when there are sufficient accidents for what I've been saying not to be ignored. Almost every installation could be just fine if a little thought was used. Sure there might be a need to compromise advertising slightly but with intelligent design that is doable. They built bus shelters for 100 years without rooting up the path. This is nothing more than advertising mafia greed and council 'can't be arsedness'. Yani -----Original Message----- From: Peter Whittle [mailto:pjl.whittle@optusnet.com.au] Sent: February 6, 2009 10:34 PM To: akayani@aapt.net.au; bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: RE: [bikeqld] Footpaths again Yani Have you ever called the BCC hotline 3403 8888 open 24/7 and asked them nicely to prune the offending garden? A polite request works pretty well, in my experience. These are your neighbours doing their job. Frankly if some yob wrote offensive letters to me or anyone who worked for me, I would down-prioritise him or blacklist him. As to the Ads-hells, you have a point, but abuse will get you nowhere. Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090208/606205d8/attachment.htm From pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au Sun Feb 8 06:50:33 2009 From: pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Sun Feb 8 06:50:42 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Sharing water In-Reply-To: References: <20090208210200.V15294@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <000801c989eb$d55a6200$800f2600$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> Dear James Fred, Barry and Bluey were out for a bike ride out the back near Greenbank Hill and it was thirsty going, with the days pushing into the mid-40s, or over 110 in the old money. At smoko time, they pulled up for a slice of damper and a pull from the waterbag - of course, no one smokes these days, like we all used to. As they drank, Blinky Bill hung down from a nearby gum tree and surprised the thirsty lads by calling out, "Gday boys, I'm a bit parched, how's your waterbag holding out?" Once our mates had recovered from the shock of seeing a talking koala outside a story book, our friendly cyclists, being a bit more mobile than old Blinky and thinking they could easily make it back to the waterhole before dark, said "No worries mate, come on down and join us!". Blinky grunted with thanks, swung slowly down and lumbered across to where the fellas were standing with their mouths gaping, catching lots of flies on a day like that. He burped loudly when he was done, and the lads choked a bit on the cloud of Eucalyptus vapour that enveloped them. Blinky held out his paw and shook the boys' hands firmly saying, "Thanks, fellas, the bush creatures will remember this. I thought I was properly done for, but now I'll be able to hold out for a few weeks more." Once our heroes got back, no one believed them, because of course, koalas never drink, as we all know, getting all their water requirements by licking dew off gum leaves. Regards Pete J From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of James Lever Sent: Sunday, 8 February 2009 9:40 PM To: Bikeqld Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Sharing water Hi Ian, On 08/02/2009, at 9:32 PM, Ian Lister wrote: With all the heat down south at the moment apparently it's wise to take a bit of extra water: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/attachments/20090208/pic00491.jpg http://www.bikeqld.org.au/attachments/20090208/pic02995.jpg Can you explain these photos or add any detail? cheers, James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090208/d9f9de04/attachment.htm From akayani at aapt.net.au Sun Feb 8 07:10:10 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Sun Feb 8 07:12:45 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Sharing water In-Reply-To: <000801c989eb$d55a6200$800f2600$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> References: <20090208210200.V15294@singha.lister.id.au> <000801c989eb$d55a6200$800f2600$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <7986F48E2E1640A29A1CB58148F435EB@maud> Great story Pete, I shared the pics about. When does the book come out? Yani _____ From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Whittle Sent: February 8, 2009 10:51 PM To: 'Bikeqld' Subject: RE: [bikeqld] Sharing water Dear James Fred, Barry and Bluey were out for a bike ride out the back near Greenbank Hill and it was thirsty going, with the days pushing into the mid-40s, or over 110 in the old money. At smoko time, they pulled up for a slice of damper and a pull from the waterbag - of course, no one smokes these days, like we all used to. As they drank, Blinky Bill hung down from a nearby gum tree and surprised the thirsty lads by calling out, "Gday boys, I'm a bit parched, how's your waterbag holding out?" Once our mates had recovered from the shock of seeing a talking koala outside a story book, our friendly cyclists, being a bit more mobile than old Blinky and thinking they could easily make it back to the waterhole before dark, said "No worries mate, come on down and join us!". Blinky grunted with thanks, swung slowly down and lumbered across to where the fellas were standing with their mouths gaping, catching lots of flies on a day like that. He burped loudly when he was done, and the lads choked a bit on the cloud of Eucalyptus vapour that enveloped them. Blinky held out his paw and shook the boys' hands firmly saying, "Thanks, fellas, the bush creatures will remember this. I thought I was properly done for, but now I'll be able to hold out for a few weeks more." Once our heroes got back, no one believed them, because of course, koalas never drink, as we all know, getting all their water requirements by licking dew off gum leaves. Regards Pete :-) From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of James Lever Sent: Sunday, 8 February 2009 9:40 PM To: Bikeqld Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Sharing water Hi Ian, On 08/02/2009, at 9:32 PM, Ian Lister wrote: With all the heat down south at the moment apparently it's wise to take a bit of extra water: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/attachments/20090208/pic00491.jpg http://www.bikeqld.org.au/attachments/20090208/pic02995.jpg Can you explain these photos or add any detail? cheers, James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090208/65c9b392/attachment-0001.htm From museduca at bigpond.net.au Sun Feb 8 12:32:39 2009 From: museduca at bigpond.net.au (Dave Mc) Date: Sun Feb 8 12:32:59 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] RE: sharing water In-Reply-To: <200902081312.n18DCoEa005349@laika.gnusto.com> References: <200902081312.n18DCoEa005349@laika.gnusto.com> Message-ID: <7E04ECCCF8B549E697DEE7B8141CDA1A@acer6dff78d94b> Brilliant yarn- keeping that. Pics are unique. Just wish the REAL participants were known for their variant on events lol. Mate over the ditch on the South Island reckons he knows where that happened (and I quote) think I know where those photos were taken - it's where there is a special cycle lane on a divided road up in the Adelaide hills near Mt Lofty. I can remember driving along that road (Mt Barker Rd). That road is very popular with cyclists keen to do some cycling up in the hills and/or a climb up to the Mt Lofty lookout, from where you can get a great view over the city. That is the cycle lane to the left of the kerb and the southbound lane on the kerb's right. The northbound lane is separated and is further down the hill to the right of the armco barrier. That cycle lane must have cost a pretty penny to construct. We had lunch in the restaurant at Mt Lofty and saw quite a few cyclists pause there for a breather before heading back down to the city. Dave Hervey Bay 0439 532 737 Dear James Fred, Barry and Bluey were out for a bike ride out the back near Greenbank Hill and it was thirsty going, with the days pushing into the mid-40s, or over 110 in the old money. At smoko time, they pulled up for a slice of damper and a pull from the waterbag - of course, no one smokes these days, like we all used to. As they drank, Blinky Bill hung down from a nearby gum tree and surprised the thirsty lads by calling out, "Gday boys, I'm a bit parched, how's your waterbag holding out?" Once our mates had recovered from the shock of seeing a talking koala outside a story book, our friendly cyclists, being a bit more mobile than old Blinky and thinking they could easily make it back to the waterhole before dark, said "No worries mate, come on down and join us!". Blinky grunted with thanks, swung slowly down and lumbered across to where the fellas were standing with their mouths gaping, catching lots of flies on a day like that. He burped loudly when he was done, and the lads choked a bit on the cloud of Eucalyptus vapour that enveloped them. Blinky held out his paw and shook the boys' hands firmly saying, "Thanks, fellas, the bush creatures will remember this. I thought I was properly done for, but now I'll be able to hold out for a few weeks more." Once our heroes got back, no one believed them, because of course, koalas never drink, as we all know, getting all their water requirements by licking dew off gum leaves. From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Sun Feb 8 18:05:35 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Sun Feb 8 18:05:59 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Sharing water In-Reply-To: References: <20090208210200.V15294@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: <20090209095745.M15294@singha.lister.id.au> On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, James Lever wrote: > Can you explain these photos or add any detail? No, sorry, I just got them in a (many times) forwarded email. The only real info in the mail was a claim that they were taken last Tuesday (well, some Tuesday). Dave Mc emailed off-list saying a mate of his recognised it as being Mt Barker Rd in the Adelaide Hills, going up to Mt Lofty. Ian From michael at yeatesit.biz Sun Feb 8 19:27:36 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Sun Feb 8 19:27:38 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] warning ... Message-ID: <20090209012721.OFUV5528.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Warning ... For those who cycle the back streets from Toowong to UQ (St Lucia) ... a number of cyclists have fallen at the approaches and at the intersection of Austral Street and Jerdanefield Road ... where construction work recently commenced on a nearby unit development. It seems there may be two (or more) causes ... one of course is the speed of cyclists taking the corner ... ;-) The other cause includes (i) gravel, concrete overspill, sand, silt etc from vehicles supplying the site and/or moving to and from it ... and (ii) oil, grease, etc dropped in patches on the road where the vehicles either wait to access the site or park legally or illegally. On a number of occasions it appears lines of trucks have formed up in Jerdanefield Road ... including on one occasion blocking a fire brigade unit that then had to reverse back up to Ryans Road. For some cyclists, this may not be very serious ..... unless someone ends up on the ground under a moving vehicle or hits a post or tree ...! MY........................... From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Sun Feb 8 21:49:00 2009 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Sun Feb 8 21:49:12 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Sharing water In-Reply-To: <20090209095745.M15294@singha.lister.id.au> References: <20090208210200.V15294@singha.lister.id.au> <20090209095745.M15294@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: This is the spot http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=mt+barker+rd +sa&sll=-27.389427,153.065094&sspn=0.013394,0.019312&g=89+Ridge+St,+Nort hgate,+QLD+4013&ie=UTF8&ll=-34.972687,138.667631&spn=0.00298,0.009656&t= h&z=17&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=-34.97269,138.667629&panoid=DDfXUpTWaqC0Z GRJwzpnQg&cbp=11,72.21234448601228,,0,-0.1568855865826844 -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Ian Lister Sent: Monday, 9 February 2009 10:06 AM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Sharing water On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, James Lever wrote: > Can you explain these photos or add any detail? No, sorry, I just got them in a (many times) forwarded email. The only real info in the mail was a claim that they were taken last Tuesday (well, some Tuesday). Dave Mc emailed off-list saying a mate of his recognised it as being Mt Barker Rd in the Adelaide Hills, going up to Mt Lofty. Ian _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Mon Feb 9 02:55:20 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Mon Feb 9 02:55:59 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Rate the Plate Message-ID: <20090209184848.H15294@singha.lister.id.au> Some years back* the web site idiotdriver.com.au was mentioned a few times on this list. It was a web site that allowed people to report the details of vehicles they'd seen driving in an anti-social manner. That site disappeared a few years back but I recently ran into another similar site that I don't think has been previously mentioned on this list: http://www.ratetheplate.com.au/ They've even got a category for vehicles used to threaten or intimidate cyclists: http://www.ratetheplate.com.au/driving-offences/intimidate-cyclist/ So now we have somewhere else to vent spleen :-) Cheers, Ian * http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/2005-November/000491.html From kim at teegee.com.au Mon Feb 9 05:57:14 2009 From: kim at teegee.com.au (kim) Date: Mon Feb 9 05:58:41 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Anzac Park track In-Reply-To: <867260CB-DA03-41D1-96BE-A86AF2868E3F@pobox.com> References: <498C1EF5.40202@teegee.com.au> <867260CB-DA03-41D1-96BE-A86AF2868E3F@pobox.com> Message-ID: <49901A1A.801@teegee.com.au> Thanks Christopher, That's good news. cheers kim Christopher Biggs wrote: > > On 6 Feb 2009, at 9:28 PM, kim wrote: > >> Has anyone noticed whether the bike path through Anzac Park at >> Toowong near to the works site at Dean St got cleaned up? >> > Yeah, it was clean this morning. > > From telstar at cfsmtb.net Mon Feb 9 16:56:33 2009 From: telstar at cfsmtb.net (telstar@cfsmtb.net) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:57:34 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] wanna drink? Message-ID: <35257.124.176.183.183.1234220193.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> Some cheer amongst the despondency down here at the present: http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6479287,00.jpg "CFA volunteer David Tree helps a distressed koala in burnt-out forest at Mirboo North. Pic: Russell Vickery" Maybe Koalas are rapidly adapting? Maybe next they'll be on bikes. ;) cheers, Chris -- ---------------------------------------- Don't get involved in partial problems, but always take flight to where there is a free view over the whole single great problem, even if this view is still not a clear one - Ludwig Wittgenstein http://cfsmtb.net http://www.woj.com.au http://www.ycat.org.au http://www.yarrabug.org/radio http://www.melbournecyclist.com ---------------------------------------- From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Mon Feb 9 17:43:29 2009 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Mon Feb 9 17:43:42 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Rate the Plate In-Reply-To: <20090209184848.H15294@singha.lister.id.au> References: <20090209184848.H15294@singha.lister.id.au> Message-ID: Some users on this site are making 40+ reports everyday! Scary. R -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Ian Lister Sent: Monday, 9 February 2009 6:55 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Rate the Plate Some years back* the web site idiotdriver.com.au was mentioned a few times on this list. It was a web site that allowed people to report the details of vehicles they'd seen driving in an anti-social manner. That site disappeared a few years back but I recently ran into another similar site that I don't think has been previously mentioned on this list: http://www.ratetheplate.com.au/ They've even got a category for vehicles used to threaten or intimidate cyclists: http://www.ratetheplate.com.au/driving-offences/intimidate-cyclist/ So now we have somewhere else to vent spleen :-) Cheers, Ian * http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/2005-November/000491.html _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From matt at people.net.au Mon Feb 9 18:03:03 2009 From: matt at people.net.au (Matt) Date: Mon Feb 9 18:03:17 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] warning ... Message-ID: <22515.1234224183@people.net.au> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Michael, If you are taking photos of the area, get onto workplace health and safety because one of the conditions of obtaining a builders licence is to prevent run-off from trucks and the site onto the road. I would also recommend that anyone who comes off in this area starts legal action against the BCC for not policing the area. On Mon 09/02/09 01:27 , Michael Yeates michael@yeatesit.biz sent: Warning ... For those who cycle the back streets from Toowong to UQ (St Lucia) ... a number of cyclists have fallen at the approaches and at the intersection of Austral Street and Jerdanefield Road ... where construction work recently commenced on a nearby unit development. It seems there may be two (or more) causes ... one of course is the speed of cyclists taking the corner ... ;-) The other cause includes (i) gravel, concrete overspill, sand, silt etc from vehicles supplying the site and/or moving to and from it ... and (ii) oil, grease, etc dropped in patches on the road where the vehicles either wait to access the site or park legally or illegally. On a number of occasions it appears lines of trucks have formed up in Jerdanefield Road ... including on one occasion blocking a fire brigade unit that then had to reverse back up to Ryans Road. For some cyclists, this may not be very serious ..... unless someone ends up on the ground under a moving vehicle or hits a post or tree ...! 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URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090210/02b9ba66/attachment.htm From unixbigot at pobox.com Tue Feb 10 18:10:36 2009 From: unixbigot at pobox.com (Christopher Biggs) Date: Tue Feb 10 18:11:01 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Anzac Park track In-Reply-To: <49901A1A.801@teegee.com.au> References: <498C1EF5.40202@teegee.com.au> <867260CB-DA03-41D1-96BE-A86AF2868E3F@pobox.com> <49901A1A.801@teegee.com.au> Message-ID: On 9 Feb 2009, at 9:57 PM, kim wrote: > Thanks Christopher, That's good news. > cheers > kim ...and was filthy again by evening of that day. :-/ From peter.whittle at qut.edu.au Wed Feb 11 00:08:50 2009 From: peter.whittle at qut.edu.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Wed Feb 11 00:09:05 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bushfire bikes Message-ID: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE051DA446B3@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> Cyclesport Victoria have issued a press release talking about getting bikes donated and distributed to the bushfire victims: http://www.vic.cycling.org.au/default.asp?Page=31858 I have a BMX and an MTB that are under-used and I am happy to donate them. I was scratching my head about how to get them to Victoria and it occurred to me a freight company might donate the carriage. Thinking a bit bigger, why not ask around if others have a bike that needs re-homing with someone who needs one? So, if you: - can help out with contacts for a friendly freight company; or - would like to donate a bike (do you REALLY need that winter bike that you haven't used in three years? Or your outgrown kid's BMX?) call me on 0434 729 855 or email peterw60 AT gmail.com. I can make all the arrangements and store bikes at my house (inner southside). Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090211/1a0fef65/attachment.htm From kim at teegee.com.au Wed Feb 11 03:46:35 2009 From: kim at teegee.com.au (kim) Date: Wed Feb 11 03:48:06 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Anzac Park track In-Reply-To: References: <498C1EF5.40202@teegee.com.au> <867260CB-DA03-41D1-96BE-A86AF2868E3F@pobox.com> <49901A1A.801@teegee.com.au> Message-ID: <49929E7B.1020408@teegee.com.au> That was short lived good news! I had asked them to commit to cleaning it at the end of each working day, the bloke I spoke to was actually pretty reasonable about it all and seem to appreciate the problems and risks. I will have to check it again when I am back up some time next week. Thanks again for keeping an eye out. kim Christopher Biggs wrote: > > On 9 Feb 2009, at 9:57 PM, kim wrote: > >> Thanks Christopher, That's good news. >> cheers >> kim > > ...and was filthy again by evening of that day. :-/ > > > From unixbigot at pobox.com Wed Feb 11 04:27:27 2009 From: unixbigot at pobox.com (Christopher Biggs) Date: Wed Feb 11 04:27:52 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Anzac Park track In-Reply-To: <49929E7B.1020408@teegee.com.au> References: <498C1EF5.40202@teegee.com.au> <867260CB-DA03-41D1-96BE-A86AF2868E3F@pobox.com> <49901A1A.801@teegee.com.au> <49929E7B.1020408@teegee.com.au> Message-ID: <8404E736-6B45-4308-B065-E47EC503488D@pobox.com> On 11/02/2009, at 7:46 PM, kim wrote: > That was short lived good news! I had asked them to commit to > cleaning it at the end of each working day, the bloke I spoke to was > actually pretty reasonable about it all and seem to appreciate the > problems and risks. I will have to check it again when I am back up > some time next week. It was clean_er_ today. No great wodges of mud, but some drifts of sand/gravel, tricky on a sharp corner. I'd say they're trying. --chris From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Wed Feb 11 17:30:59 2009 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Wed Feb 11 17:31:10 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster | The Courier-Mail Message-ID: Check out the video on the Mx site The story itself seems to have originated in the UK http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25039910-3102,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7881079.stm R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090212/48c4a79d/attachment.htm From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Wed Feb 11 17:45:35 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Wed Feb 11 17:45:51 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster | The Courier-Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090212094441.A15294@singha.lister.id.au> Direct link to the video, to save a few clicks: http://www.youtube.com/v/afE44cHNkEg Ian On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Richard Hockey wrote: > Check out the video on the Mx site > > The story itself seems to have originated in the UK > > http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25039910-3102,00.html > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7881079.stm > > > > R > > From a.rasmussen at qut.edu.au Thu Feb 12 00:28:19 2009 From: a.rasmussen at qut.edu.au (Andrew Rasmussen) Date: Thu Feb 12 00:28:37 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] FW: MTB-OZ-serious: Please complete BCC MTB survey Message-ID: Hi all, For your consideration. Apologies to those already on the MTB-OZ list. Regards, Andrew Rasmussen -----Original Message----- Hi everyone, The Brisbane City Council is finally taking an interest in mountainbiking and have set up an online survey to estimate potential use as well as ask what we're looking for. If as many people as possible who have any interest in mountainbiking in Brisbane at all could fill this out it can only help. Cheers, Phil 2009 BCC SURVEY ON OUTDOOR RECREATION, PARTICULARLY MOUNTAIN BIKING IN BCC BUSHLAND http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:BASE:1631453223:pc=PC_2133 www.zoomerang.com/Survey/survey-intro.zgi?p=WEB228S95ERET2 This survey is a consequence of all the emails and letters MTB riders have sent to Council. BCC has listened and now they want to know our ideas about how to manage their Reserves for outdoor recreation, particularly mountain biking. Council also is finding out about the number of visitors using their Reserves. IMBA has the logo SPEAK BUILD RESPECT RIDE... well now we need to respond, to SPEAK. Please complete the survey and pass this email on to others. Here are some ideas you could include in your survey response. BCC needs a city-wide policy on MTB access. Otherwise we have to fight for each reserve one at a time, taking many years. The only BCC management plan that specifically mentions managing MTB is the Mt Coot-tha one. There are a couple of points in this Plan that could be changed. 1) BCC Local Laws state that you can only ride a bicycle on designated paths in a park. This needs to change to trails are open unless otherwise signed. Redland City Council has this approach. Wellington City Council NZ agreed to this policy in 1996. 2) At Mt Coot-tha, fire roads are multiuse. That's fine. But MTB only trails are exclusive use, same as walking only trails. This exclusive approach arose from a misunderstanding that downhill and cross country MTB trails are managed the same. Downhill trails are for bikes only and one-way (down only). However cross country trails can be shared with walkers. So the policy needs to be shared use or preferred use, except where signed. Lastly, invite decision makers to come and see the trails that radiate from Gap Creek Reserve, Mt Coot-tha. Any Saturday or Sunday morning is the best time to see how popular the place is. They will see that trail care is producing some MTB specific features on very sustainable trails. From ben at creative-engineering.com.au Thu Feb 12 22:51:49 2009 From: ben at creative-engineering.com.au (Ben Guymer) Date: Thu Feb 12 22:52:07 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster | TheCourier-Mail References: Message-ID: <799116D8F67E4C3A82E3FF4DF46AAC90@Toaster> It's probably easy to make it look bad... if bikes were used that much in brissie it would surely be hugely successful! It sounds like they mostly just bit off a bit more than they can chew to me: If the stats are right, then each bike has been used ~2000 times in 18 months (42,000,000 uses, and say, 21,000 bikes (15,000 working + 6,000 broken)) which seems pretty decent - at 10,000 k's/yr that's also pretty good - incidentally giving a 7.5km average trip which also seems reasonable.. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Hockey To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:30 AM Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster | TheCourier-Mail Check out the video on the Mx site The story itself seems to have originated in the UK http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25039910-3102,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7881079.stm R ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090213/e18cb753/attachment.htm From ben at creative-engineering.com.au Thu Feb 12 22:55:51 2009 From: ben at creative-engineering.com.au (Ben Guymer) Date: Thu Feb 12 22:56:06 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster | TheCourier-Mail Message-ID: Also, they're making 20M / yr from ads on 1,600 bus shelters: that's about $4,000 per vandalised bike - if they have to replace 5,000 bikes/yr (ie 7,500 in 18 months) - not bad! they should quit complaining Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Guymer To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster | TheCourier-Mail It's probably easy to make it look bad... if bikes were used that much in brissie it would surely be hugely successful! It sounds like they mostly just bit off a bit more than they can chew to me: If the stats are right, then each bike has been used ~2000 times in 18 months (42,000,000 uses, and say, 21,000 bikes (15,000 working + 6,000 broken)) which seems pretty decent - at 10,000 k's/yr that's also pretty good - incidentally giving a 7.5km average trip which also seems reasonable.. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Hockey To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:30 AM Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster | TheCourier-Mail Check out the video on the Mx site The story itself seems to have originated in the UK http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25039910-3102,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7881079.stm R ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090212/e9711ee5/attachment.htm From peter.whittle at qut.edu.au Fri Feb 13 00:20:45 2009 From: peter.whittle at qut.edu.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Fri Feb 13 00:21:01 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] mydrive.com.au In-Reply-To: <966670.18552.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <966670.18552.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE07033374DB@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> Interesting. I tried to put a route into Bikely the other day using the Goodwill Bridge and it couldn't cope - dumped the route onto the roads, via the Captain Cook Bridge. So my guess is Bikely won't recognise bikeways - it's road-based after all. There might be similar systems for MTB use. Anyone know if I'm right or wrong? Pete ________________________________ From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Anthony Lee Sent: Friday, 13 February 2009 4:00 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] mydrive.com.au Hi all, Being an RACQ member, I get access to a website called mydrive.com.au. Actually all you get is access to Google Map with overlays for things like schools and red light cameras. You can click on things like traffic jam but they don't work :-), at least I couldn't see the road works outside Energex's office :-(. I was wondering this might be a good idea for something like bikely. I guess they must work about some coordinate overlay. We could put things like entry points to bike paths. Construction work on bike paths. Or where there is road work (don't you some time wish you were riding a MTB and not a roadie :-). What do you think. Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090213/819a7a9b/attachment-0001.htm From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Sat Feb 14 02:32:12 2009 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Sat Feb 14 02:32:28 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] mydrive.com.au References: <966670.18552.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <51FC1E99A89C9E4796A8C2E296FFFBAE07033374DB@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <289380.6908.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> That is strange if bikely is also based on Google map then it should cope with pedestrians. After all you can get Google Maps to have the walking option when you ask it to give you specific route. Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ From: Peter Whittle To: Anthony Lee ; "bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au" Sent: Friday, 13 February, 2009 4:20:45 PM Subject: RE: [bikeqld] mydrive.com.au Interesting. I tried to put a route into Bikely the other day using the Goodwill Bridge and it couldn't cope - dumped the route onto the roads, via the Captain Cook Bridge. So my guess is Bikely won't recognise bikeways - it's road-based after all. There might be similar systems for MTB use. Anyone know if I'm right or wrong? Pete ________________________________ From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Anthony Lee Sent: Friday, 13 February 2009 4:00 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] mydrive.com.au Hi all, Being an RACQ member, I get access to a website called mydrive.com.au. Actually all you get is access to Google Map with overlays for things like schools and red light cameras. You can click on things like traffic jam but they don't work :-), at least I couldn't see the road works outside Energex's office :-(. I was wondering this might be a good idea for something like bikely. I guess they must work about some coordinate overlay. We could put things like entry points to bike paths. Construction work on bike paths. Or where there is road work (don't you some time wish you were riding a MTB and not a roadie :-). What do you think. Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more. Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090214/76b1fcae/attachment.htm From Ken.Yeo at allianz.com.au Sat Feb 14 17:26:00 2009 From: Ken.Yeo at allianz.com.au (Ken.Yeo@allianz.com.au) Date: Sat Feb 14 17:26:22 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] mydrive.com.au In-Reply-To: <289380.6908.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is a tick box which says something like 'auto follow roads'. If you uncheck the box it travels point to point in straight lines only. You can put the check back in when you get back on the roads and the 'non-auto' section remains. Regards Ken Yeo ______________________________________ Ken.Yeo@allianz.com.au ______________________________________ Anthony Lee Sent by: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au 14/02/2009 06:32 PM Please consider the environment before printing this email To "bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au" cc Subject Re: [bikeqld] mydrive.com.au That is strange if bikely is also based on Google map then it should cope with pedestrians. After all you can get Google Maps to have the walking option when you ask it to give you specific route. Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au From: Peter Whittle To: Anthony Lee ; "bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au" Sent: Friday, 13 February, 2009 4:20:45 PM Subject: RE: [bikeqld] mydrive.com.au Interesting. I tried to put a route into Bikely the other day using the Goodwill Bridge and it couldn't cope - dumped the route onto the roads, via the Captain Cook Bridge. So my guess is Bikely won't recognise bikeways - it's road-based after all. There might be similar systems for MTB use. Anyone know if I'm right or wrong? Pete From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Anthony Lee Sent: Friday, 13 February 2009 4:00 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] mydrive.com.au Hi all, Being an RACQ member, I get access to a website called mydrive.com.au. Actually all you get is access to Google Map with overlays for things like schools and red light cameras. You can click on things like traffic jam but they don't work :-), at least I couldn't see the road works outside Energex's office :-(. I was wondering this might be a good idea for something like bikely. I guess they must work about some coordinate overlay. We could put things like entry points to bike paths. Construction work on bike paths. Or where there is road work (don't you some time wish you were riding a MTB and not a roadie :-). What do you think. Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more. Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. 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Message-ID: <12284.1234851960@people.net.au> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article5726827.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=796841 [1] From The Sunday Times February 15, 2009 DON?T STOP ME NOW, IT?LL WASTE ENERGY CYCLE GUY Richard Caseby div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited { color:#06c; } Why is it a universal truth that cyclists hate losing momentum? If we were walking, we?d be happy to stop and then start strolling again. But put us on a bike and we?re crazy mustangs. I guess it?s because we know instinctively that it?s harder work picking up speed again on a bike than when walking. But exactly how much harder is it? The answer from Chris Juden, technical officer of the Cyclists? Touring Club, is a revelation. Well, riding a bike at a steady pace takes as much energy as walking at a quarter of that speed. So cycling at 12mph is the same as walking at 3mph. Which explains why most people are as happy to cycle four miles to work as they are to walk one. Cycling at this speed on an uninterrupted four-mile journey, lasting 20 minutes, would result in a total energy expenditure of 90 kilojoules. Every time a cyclist or pedestrian stops, they lose kinetic energy and have to work harder on starting off to accelerate and restore that kinetic energy. Now ? and this is the maths bit ? kinetic energy is proportional to mass multiplied by speed squared. This means to reach a steady cycling speed four times that of walking, requires a 16-fold increase in energy (plus about 25% more for the added mass of the bike). So here it is: the cyclist has to expend about 20 times as much energy as a pedestrian to reach his normal journey speed again. This energy could have carried the cyclist a great deal further had no stop been made. In fact one stop-start is the equivalent to cycling an extra 100 metres while a pedestrian can stop-start and expend no more energy than it takes to walk a couple of steps. And if you?ve ever wondered why children riding bikes have a natural disregard for road markings, this might be part of the answer. They also know that bikes are harder to control at low speed and so will keep going at all costs. ?This is not a peculiar cussedness of cyclists,? says Juden. ?Let anyone ride a bike and they immediately discover that stopping is a grievous waste of hard-earned momentum.? For more information on the Cyclists? Touring Club, go to www.ctc.org.uk [2] http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/latest/437874 CITY PANEL BACKS PROTECTION FROM OPENING OF CAR DOORS Kristin Czubkowski [3] ? 2/11/2009 7:15 am A proposed ordinance that would protect not only bikers, but also pedestrians and drivers, from carelessly opened car doors received an endorsement from the city's safety board Tuesday night. The Public Safety Review Board voted unanimously to recommend the ordinance for approval by the City Council. It will be taken up by one more committee -- the city's Pedestrian-Bicycle-Motor Vehicle Commission -- before it goes to the council for final approval. Ald. Robbie Webber, a sponsor of the ordinance, stressed that the ordinance protects any users of the road from being hit by a car door. The ordinance calls for a $100 ticket for a motorist opening a vehicle's door unsafely or interfering with traffic and a $50 ticket for leaving a car door open longer than necessary. "It's really just a question of common sense," she said. "People thought it was on the books already." There is currently an effort at the state level to pass a similar law, which would likely supersede a local ordinance, but Webber said she was encouraged by state Rep. Sondy Pope-Roberts, D-Middleton, to pass a local ordinance in the meantime. Many other states have similar laws on the books, with Ald. Eli Judge calling the car door lesson a "staple" of Illinois driver's education. Capt. Richard Bach said Tuesday the Madison Police Department is "supportive of any measures" to keep streets safer, but the proactive enforcement of the ordinance will likely be difficult, and the ordinance will more likely be used as a tool in crash investigations. Committee member Michael Scott said even that use would make the ordinance "more than symbolic" by shifting how insurance companies see these kinds of crashes and how fault is determined. Members of the biking community who attended the meeting stressed the need for public education beyond citations in getting the word out to motorists to begin exercising more caution with car doors. "If you get doored, it's not going to help you to have the law on the books," said Madison resident John Jacobs. There have been incidents of crashes between car doors and bicyclists resulting in fatalities, particularly when bicyclists are pushed into traffic by the impact. The ordinance was written after an incident last summer when a bicyclist who was hit by a car door opening and suffered fractured vertebrae was ticketed for biking too close to a parked car. State law currently requires that bicyclists remain at least three feet away from parked cars, but Webber said the state law is hard to adhere to due to insufficient bike lanes and narrow roads that bring bicyclists too close to cars. "A lot of bicyclists have been bullied into riding as close to cars as they can, and that's even more true in big cities," she added. The state law will likely be repealed in the Legislature this year because it does not pertain to any other users of the road, she added. Also at Tuesday's meeting, the board decided to wait an additional month on another ordinance sponsored by Webber. The ordinance would eliminate alternate side parking in Madison except during snow emergencies. Madison residents who park on the street are currently required to move their vehicles every day between Nov. 15 and March 15, with odd or even dates matching the side of the street with odd or even addresses. Webber said she introduced the ordinance after the city increased parking fines between 200 and 300 percent during snow emergencies, from $20 or $30 up to $60 per violation. Removing alternate side parking during non-snow emergencies would allow residents to maintain the current 48-hour rule and give them a break from potential parking fines when the weather is clear. "People have frequently said to me, 'Why am I moving my car when it hasn't snowed in three weeks and it has been drizzling?'" she said. "This is wasteful environmentally, it's wasteful of gas, and it's just plain silly." Streets department staff, who were unable to attend Tuesday's meeting, have cited the importance of training people to use alternate side parking rules as one reason to keep the ordinance as well as the source of revenue the tickets provide the city. The city currently makes about $400,000 per year on alternate side parking fines during non-snow emergencies. Bach said police were concerned about eliminating the ordinance for its impact on public safety and the current city routine for checking winter parking. He pointed out that snow emergencies only come into effect with more than three inches of snow, and eliminating alternate side parking could result in a buildup of snow that the Streets Division would not be able to plow effectively. "Our concern is that if we don't have the alternate side parking where (the Streets Division) can routinely plow the streets, the streets will begin to narrow," he said. "The issue there is to the keep the streets clear enough to get fire trucks and emergency vehicles" through them. The city also currently hires 11 hourly employees each winter to administer the alternate side parking fines, and those employees also help during snow emergencies by doing preparation work for towing cars. Without the ordinance, those employees would likely not be hired, and the Parking Utility would need to pay its full-time workers significant overtime to do the work. Even with overtime, lower staffing may require snow emergencies extended past the day or two they currently operate and may take away from regular parking enforcement during snow emergencies, parking officer Stephanie Niesen said. Webber said that keeping the ordinance for the revenue it provides would be poor public policy and that more public education and increasing snow emergency parking fines even further would provide better compliance than "training" people to use the rules for four months each year. "When you need to plow, fine people as much as you need," she said. Board members delayed the vote one month to ensure that the Streets Division had a representative there and requested more information from both sides of the debate regarding what other major cities that see regular snow do to ensure cleared streets. "I just don't feel like we have quite enough information, and I'd hate to turn this into a simple thumbs up or thumbs down on what's going to be a very important issue," board member Michael Scott said. Links: ------ [1] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article5726827.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=796841 [2] http://www.ctc.org.uk/ [3] mailto:kristinc@madison.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090217/4857eb6d/attachment-0001.htm From cameraperson at bigpond.com Tue Feb 17 02:46:20 2009 From: cameraperson at bigpond.com (Mick Fanning) Date: Tue Feb 17 02:46:36 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] C-M "Busy streets are a war zone for motorists and cyclists" - By Bruce McMahon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010D717E-2167-4371-B978-E7A35A07F527@bigpond.com> Interesting article. Perhaps Mr McMahon is trying to make up for all the dreadfully provocative anti-cyclist articles he has been responsible for in the past. Not sure I like its main premise that "cycling on the roads is really dangerous". Hardly helpful to our cause in the long run. Mick a bikes-do-not-belong-on-footpaths-zealot On 17/02/2009, at 12:30, Sebastian Tauchmann wrote: > http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25060492-3102,00.html > > It's always surprising to see a well-written article on bicycles, even > if there's still a clanger or two in there. > > Good on John L of the CBD BUG for getting print-time. > > Seb, a bikes-belong-on-the-road zealot. > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From akayani at aapt.net.au Tue Feb 17 02:54:42 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Tue Feb 17 02:54:51 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] C-M "Busy streets are a war zone for motorists andcyclists" - By Bruce McMahon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38AF9C43E7EE4BE59705B288425FBB21@maud> I have a simple policy. Hit me and I'll kick the crap out of your car! (If I can stand up) Fortunately I haven't been hit in 2 years now. I've learned that the pain of it just isn't worth it. I think a free kick should be part of any policy. Even in football you get a free kick. ;) Yani From xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au Tue Feb 17 08:03:19 2009 From: xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au (mich rolling) Date: Tue Feb 17 08:03:33 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster | TheCourier-Mail Message-ID: <869822.74087.qm@web44812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7881079.stm cited in http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/12/reports-of-velibs-demise-greatly-exaggerated/ The story goes on to say that Paris Velib bicycle theft/destruction etc costs about 2M Euros a year against bike hire fees of 20M Euro and advertising revenue (on bikes themselves and stands presumeably) of 80M Euro. The Velib short bike hire system is not doomed yet! Reports of V?lib?s Demise Greatly Exaggerated by Ben Fried on February 12, 2009 JCDecaux touted V?lib on the cover of its 2007 annual report [PDF].If you've read this BBC story currently making the rounds, you'd be forgiven for thinking that V?lib, Paris's wildly popular bike-share system, has suddenly been afflicted by an epidemic of theft and vandalism that threatens its very existence. V?lib bikes have been "torched," strung up from lamp-posts, and smuggled across borders, the Beeb reports in alarmist tones. A spokesman for JCDecaux, the outdoor advertising firm that operates V?lib, calls its contract with the city of Paris "unsustainable," and the whole system is referred to in the past tense. So is V?lib destined to burn brightly only to flare out after a short time? Hardly. V?lib is here to stay, according to officials and transportation experts familiar with the details of its operations. The BBC's portrayal of a mortal threat, they say, is best understood as a negotiating ploy on the part of JCDecaux. (Note that the JCDecaux representative is the only source quoted in that story.)" Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more From pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 17 14:14:26 2009 From: pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Tue Feb 17 14:14:44 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster | TheCourier-Mail In-Reply-To: <869822.74087.qm@web44812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <869822.74087.qm@web44812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c9913c$571810b0$05483210$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> "wildly popular" - the colourful language flies from both sides. In my visit in Sept 08, there weren't many gaps in the Velib racks, and I saw just a very few Velibs being ridden. Many bikes, but not many Velibs. Pete -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of mich rolling Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 12:03 AM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster | TheCourier-Mail http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7881079.stm cited in http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/12/reports-of-velibs-demise-greatly-exaggerated/ The story goes on to say that Paris Velib bicycle theft/destruction etc costs about 2M Euros a year against bike hire fees of 20M Euro and advertising revenue (on bikes themselves and stands presumeably) of 80M Euro. The Velib short bike hire system is not doomed yet! Reports of V?lib?s Demise Greatly Exaggerated by Ben Fried on February 12, 2009 JCDecaux touted V?lib on the cover of its 2007 annual report [PDF].If you've read this BBC story currently making the rounds, you'd be forgiven for thinking that V?lib, Paris's wildly popular bike-share system, has suddenly been afflicted by an epidemic of theft and vandalism that threatens its very existence. V?lib bikes have been "torched," strung up from lamp-posts, and smuggled across borders, the Beeb reports in alarmist tones. A spokesman for JCDecaux, the outdoor advertising firm that operates V?lib, calls its contract with the city of Paris "unsustainable," and the whole system is referred to in the past tense. So is V?lib destined to burn brightly only to flare out after a short time? Hardly. V?lib is here to stay, according to officials and transportation experts familiar with the details of its operations. The BBC's portrayal of a mortal threat, they say, is best understood as a negotiating ploy on the part of JCDecaux. (Note that the JCDecaux representative is the only source quoted in that story.)" Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From gsfergus at optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 17 18:06:34 2009 From: gsfergus at optusnet.com.au (Glen Fergus) Date: Tue Feb 17 18:06:46 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster| TheCourier-Mail In-Reply-To: <000901c9913c$571810b0$05483210$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> References: <869822.74087.qm@web44812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <000901c9913c$571810b0$05483210$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <0BF72A4CCB324C3DBFB4E8D0A2A1E331@golder.gds> That's odd Peter. I was in Paris in October 08 and formed the opposite opinion. Despite nasty weather, I saw many Velibs in use; and even saw one or two near-empty racks. Also saw the relocation service in action (trailer load of bikes). Nevertheless, I'd agreed "wildly popular" overstates the case. G. > -----Original Message----- > From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au > [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Whittle > Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 6:14 AM > To: 'mich rolling'; bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > Subject: RE: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire > disaster| TheCourier-Mail > > "wildly popular" - the colourful language flies from both > sides. In my visit in Sept 08, there weren't many gaps in the > Velib racks, and I saw just a very few Velibs being ridden. > Many bikes, but not many Velibs. > > Pete From pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 17 19:24:13 2009 From: pjl.whittle at optusnet.com.au (Peter Whittle) Date: Tue Feb 17 19:24:22 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster| TheCourier-Mail In-Reply-To: <0BF72A4CCB324C3DBFB4E8D0A2A1E331@golder.gds> References: <869822.74087.qm@web44812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <000901c9913c$571810b0$05483210$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> <0BF72A4CCB324C3DBFB4E8D0A2A1E331@golder.gds> Message-ID: <002f01c99167$9c24db90$d46e92b0$@whittle@optusnet.com.au> Very happy to be proven wrong. P -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Glen Fergus Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 10:07 AM To: Bikeqld Subject: RE: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire disaster| TheCourier-Mail That's odd Peter. I was in Paris in October 08 and formed the opposite opinion. Despite nasty weather, I saw many Velibs in use; and even saw one or two near-empty racks. Also saw the relocation service in action (trailer load of bikes). Nevertheless, I'd agreed "wildly popular" overstates the case. G. > -----Original Message----- > From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au > [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Whittle > Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2009 6:14 AM > To: 'mich rolling'; bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > Subject: RE: [bikeqld] Brisbane may be saddled with bike hire > disaster| TheCourier-Mail > > "wildly popular" - the colourful language flies from both > sides. In my visit in Sept 08, there weren't many gaps in the > Velib racks, and I saw just a very few Velibs being ridden. > Many bikes, but not many Velibs. > > Pete _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Thu Feb 19 16:52:16 2009 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Thu Feb 19 16:52:45 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] King George Square C2C Cyclist Awareness Ride 20 March 2009 (fwd) Message-ID: <20090220085128.L15294@singha.lister.id.au> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Aaron Wray Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:48:17 +1000 Subject: King George Square C2C Cyclist Awareness Ride 20 March 2009 KGSC2C Cyclist Awareness Ride 20 March 2009 ( http://www.roadgrime.com.au/home/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=114&topic=3343.msg35071#msg35071 ) King George Square Cycle 2 City http://www.cycle2city.com.au/site.php?content=home is running a cyclist awareness ride on 20 March 2009 at 4:45pm. Starting at 4:45pm at the Cycle Centre, there will be a presentation from an experienced cyclist about understanding the attitude of drivers, the Top Ten riding tips to avoid being hit by vehicles and also cover off on other road rules particular to cyclists and their responsibilities. This is a presentation that has been run for employees of Brisbane City Council and Brisbane Water in the past and has been favourably received. Following the presentation at about 5:30pm we will be riding a circuit through the city terminating back at the centre. This is not a critical mass ride and riders will be encouraged to ride within the law and not to engage vehicles or their occupants. Representatives of the Queensland Police Bicycle Squad will be in attendance and riding with us and the ride is supported by BCC Active Transport initiative. If you would like to attend please register your interest with KGSC2C by ringing them on 07 3221 6868. Please pass this on to those who may be interested in improving their knowledge of how to ride in traffic. Kind regards Aaron From ben at creative-engineering.com.au Thu Feb 19 20:09:44 2009 From: ben at creative-engineering.com.au (Ben Guymer) Date: Thu Feb 19 20:10:06 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Re: [Cmass-Sydney] FW: Notice of Meeting: E-Bike legislation References: <637CB5A55DC04F88AA348C6BA9525A26@Laptop> <20090220013151.ZFXH5528.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: I'd just like to point out how ridiculous any arguments about sourcing energy for e-bikes are. Regardless of electric motor power, the energy is stored in batteries. Batteries are generally in the order of 200Wh, = 720kJ, = boiling ~2litres of water in a Jug. If you have issues about charging an electric bike, save yourself by skipping your morning cuppa, have a glass of water instead, and don't eat meat. However I also believe the particulate pollution from small 2 strokes is terribly wasteful - even the worst electricity generation practice will be thousands of times less polluting. For more information about electricity distribution: The electrical loss I believe is generally separated as Distribution loss factor transmission loss factor (DLF and TLF) Together , the TLF and DLF add to give the total loss. The combined efficiency is roughly 90-94% Some further info and links (courtesy Geoff Walker): DLF (Energex) for LV (415/240V) line connected customers = 1.0786 in 2008/09. http://www.aer.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/718618 TLF will be hard to find (powerlink?) As for GHG emissions: from the National Greenhouse Accounts (NGA) Factors http://www.climatechange.gov.au/workbook/index.html >From table 5 of the workbook-feb2008.pdf: Scope 2 GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - from fuel combustion at power stations associated with purchased electricity from the grid = 0.91 kg CO2-e / kWh Scope 3 GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - emissions from the extraction, production and transport of fuels for above, and emissions associated with electricity transmission and distribution losses = 0.13 kg CO2-e / kWh Total GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - sum of scope 2 and scope 3 = 1.04 kg CO2-e / kWh Further information on wholesale electricity market: http://www.aemc.gov.au/pdfs/reviews/Review%20of%20the%20effectiveness%20of%20competition%20in%20the%20gas%20and%20electricity%20retail%20markets/conreps/001The%20Wholesale%20Electricity%20Market%20In%20Australia%20-%20A%20Report%20To%20The%20Australian%20Energy%20Market%20Commission%20(NERA%20Economic%20Consulting)%20-%20updated%2014%20March%202008.pdf Regards, Ben Guymer From michael at yeatesit.biz Thu Feb 19 20:32:33 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Thu Feb 19 20:32:40 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Re: [Cmass-Sydney] FW: Notice of Meeting: E-Bike legislation In-Reply-To: References: <637CB5A55DC04F88AA348C6BA9525A26@Laptop> <20090220013151.ZFXH5528.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <20090220023224.VAFG7357.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Thanks Ben ... Forwarded as part of a discussion whether there is a need for action re E-Bike legislation in Australia Anyone interested? MY.................... At 12:09 PM 20/02/2009, Ben Guymer wrote: >I'd just like to point out how ridiculous any arguments about >sourcing energy for e-bikes are. >Regardless of electric motor power, the energy is stored in >batteries. Batteries are generally in the order of 200Wh, = 720kJ, = >boiling ~2litres of water in a Jug. >If you have issues about charging an electric bike, save yourself by >skipping your morning cuppa, have a glass of water instead, and don't eat meat. >However I also believe the particulate pollution from small 2 >strokes is terribly wasteful - even the worst electricity generation >practice will be thousands of times less polluting. > >For more information about electricity distribution: >The electrical loss I believe is generally separated as Distribution >loss factor transmission loss factor (DLF and TLF) >Together , the TLF and DLF add to give the total loss. The combined >efficiency is roughly 90-94% > >Some further info and links (courtesy Geoff Walker): > >DLF (Energex) for LV (415/240V) line connected customers = 1.0786 in >2008/09. >http://www.aer.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/718618 > >TLF will be hard to find (powerlink?) > >As for GHG emissions: > >from the National Greenhouse Accounts (NGA) Factors >http://www.climatechange.gov.au/workbook/index.html > > From table 5 of the workbook-feb2008.pdf: > >Scope 2 GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - from fuel combustion at power stations >associated with purchased electricity from the grid >= 0.91 kg CO2-e / kWh > >Scope 3 GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - emissions from the extraction, >production and transport of fuels for above, and emissions associated with >electricity transmission and distribution losses >= 0.13 kg CO2-e / kWh > >Total GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - sum of scope 2 and scope 3 >= 1.04 kg CO2-e / kWh > >Further information on wholesale electricity market: >http://www.aemc.gov.au/pdfs/reviews/Review%20of%20the%20effectiveness%20of%20competition%20in%20the%20gas%20and%20electricity%20retail%20markets/conreps/001The%20Wholesale%20Electricity%20Market%20In%20Australia%20-%20A%20Report%20To%20The%20Australian%20Energy%20Market%20Commission%20(NERA%20Economic%20Consulting)%20-%20updated%2014%20March%202008.pdf > > >Regards, >Ben Guymer > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.1/1961 - Release Date: >02/19/09 18:45:00 From busrail at fastmail.fm Thu Feb 19 21:01:48 2009 From: busrail at fastmail.fm (Norm Morwood) Date: Thu Feb 19 21:03:13 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Re: [Cmass-Sydney] FW: Notice of Meeting: E-Bikelegislation In-Reply-To: <20090220023224.VAFG7357.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <000001c99307$968a9b10$0201010a@Betty> Me a bit. Lots more calcs like Ben's in the reference below about where all these energy matters fit in the big picture more particularly for e cars than bikes, hence my earlier posting of it on entrans site. Long book though. Perhaps not relevant for anyone who really enjoys pushing the pedals around. So apologies for mentioning it on this list. Regards, Norm. 07 5442 2916, 0409 63 99 44 140 Blackall Range Rd Woombye Qld 4559 Disclaimer: A moderately active person with a weight of 65 kg consumes food with a chemical energy content of about 2600 "Calories" per day. A "Calorie," in food circles, is actually 1000 chemist's calories (1 kcal). 2600 "Calories" per day is about 3 kWh per day. Most of this energy eventually escapes from the body as heat, so one function of a typical person is to act as a space heater with an output of a little over 100W, a medium-power lightbulb. Put 10 people in a small cold room, and you can switch off the 1 kW convection heater. http://www.withouthotair.com/download.html (One use for half the people of the world. Keeping the other half warm) -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Michael Yeates Sent: Friday, 20 February 2009 12:33 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Re: [Cmass-Sydney] FW: Notice of Meeting: E-Bikelegislation Thanks Ben ... Forwarded as part of a discussion whether there is a need for action re E-Bike legislation in Australia Anyone interested? MY.................... At 12:09 PM 20/02/2009, Ben Guymer wrote: >I'd just like to point out how ridiculous any arguments about >sourcing energy for e-bikes are. >Regardless of electric motor power, the energy is stored in >batteries. Batteries are generally in the order of 200Wh, = 720kJ, = >boiling ~2litres of water in a Jug. >If you have issues about charging an electric bike, save yourself by >skipping your morning cuppa, have a glass of water instead, and don't eat meat. >However I also believe the particulate pollution from small 2 >strokes is terribly wasteful - even the worst electricity generation >practice will be thousands of times less polluting. > >For more information about electricity distribution: >The electrical loss I believe is generally separated as Distribution >loss factor transmission loss factor (DLF and TLF) >Together , the TLF and DLF add to give the total loss. The combined >efficiency is roughly 90-94% > >Some further info and links (courtesy Geoff Walker): > >DLF (Energex) for LV (415/240V) line connected customers = 1.0786 in >2008/09. http://www.aer.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/718618 > >TLF will be hard to find (powerlink?) > >As for GHG emissions: > >from the National Greenhouse Accounts (NGA) Factors >http://www.climatechange.gov.au/workbook/index.html > > From table 5 of the workbook-feb2008.pdf: > >Scope 2 GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - from fuel combustion at power >stations associated with purchased electricity from the grid = 0.91 kg >CO2-e / kWh > >Scope 3 GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - emissions from the extraction, >production and transport of fuels for above, and emissions associated >with electricity transmission and distribution losses = 0.13 kg CO2-e / >kWh > >Total GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - sum of scope 2 and scope 3 >= 1.04 kg CO2-e / kWh > >Further information on wholesale electricity market: >http://www.aemc.gov.au/pdfs/reviews/Review%20of%20the%20effectiveness%2 >0of%20competition%20in%20the%20gas%20and%20electricity%20retail%20marke >ts/conreps/001The%20Wholesale%20Electricity%20Market%20In%20Australia%2 >0-%20A%20Report%20To%20The%20Australian%20Energy%20Market%20Commission% >20(NERA%20Economic%20Consulting)%20-%20updated%2014%20March%202008.pdf > > >Regards, >Ben Guymer > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.1/1961 - Release Date: >02/19/09 18:45:00 _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From busrail at fastmail.fm Thu Feb 19 21:03:13 2009 From: busrail at fastmail.fm (Norm Morwood) Date: Thu Feb 19 21:04:16 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Re: [Cmass-Sydney] FW: Notice of Meeting: E-Bikelegislation In-Reply-To: <20090220023224.VAFG7357.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <000101c99307$c9229230$0201010a@Betty> Me a bit Michael. Lots more calcs like Ben's good simple ones in the reference below, about where all these energy matters fit in the big picture more particularly for e cars than bikes, hence my earlier posting of it on entrans site. Long book though. Perhaps not relevant for anyone who really enjoys pushing the pedals around. So apologies for mentioning it on this list. Regards, Norm. 07 5442 2916, 0409 63 99 44 140 Blackall Range Rd Woombye Qld 4559 Disclaimer: A moderately active person with a weight of 65 kg consumes food with a chemical energy content of about 2600 "Calories" per day. A "Calorie," in food circles, is actually 1000 chemist's calories (1 kcal). 2600 "Calories" per day is about 3 kWh per day. Most of this energy eventually escapes from the body as heat, so one function of a typical person is to act as a space heater with an output of a little over 100W, a medium-power lightbulb. Put 10 people in a small cold room, and you can switch off the 1 kW convection heater. http://www.withouthotair.com/download.html (One use for half the people of the world. Keeping the other half warm) -----Original Message----- From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Michael Yeates Sent: Friday, 20 February 2009 12:33 PM To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Re: [Cmass-Sydney] FW: Notice of Meeting: E-Bikelegislation Thanks Ben ... Forwarded as part of a discussion whether there is a need for action re E-Bike legislation in Australia Anyone interested? MY.................... At 12:09 PM 20/02/2009, Ben Guymer wrote: >I'd just like to point out how ridiculous any arguments about sourcing >energy for e-bikes are. Regardless of electric motor power, the energy >is stored in batteries. Batteries are generally in the order of 200Wh, >= 720kJ, = boiling ~2litres of water in a Jug. >If you have issues about charging an electric bike, save yourself by >skipping your morning cuppa, have a glass of water instead, and don't eat meat. >However I also believe the particulate pollution from small 2 >strokes is terribly wasteful - even the worst electricity generation >practice will be thousands of times less polluting. > >For more information about electricity distribution: >The electrical loss I believe is generally separated as Distribution >loss factor transmission loss factor (DLF and TLF) Together , the TLF >and DLF add to give the total loss. The combined efficiency is >roughly 90-94% > >Some further info and links (courtesy Geoff Walker): > >DLF (Energex) for LV (415/240V) line connected customers = 1.0786 in >2008/09. http://www.aer.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/718618 > >TLF will be hard to find (powerlink?) > >As for GHG emissions: > >from the National Greenhouse Accounts (NGA) Factors >http://www.climatechange.gov.au/workbook/index.html > > From table 5 of the workbook-feb2008.pdf: > >Scope 2 GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - from fuel combustion at power >stations associated with purchased electricity from the grid = 0.91 kg >CO2-e / kWh > >Scope 3 GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - emissions from the extraction, >production and transport of fuels for above, and emissions associated >with electricity transmission and distribution losses = 0.13 kg CO2-e / >kWh > >Total GHG Emission Factor (QLD) - sum of scope 2 and scope 3 >= 1.04 kg CO2-e / kWh > >Further information on wholesale electricity market: >http://www.aemc.gov.au/pdfs/reviews/Review%20of%20the%20effectiveness%2 >0of%20competition%20in%20the%20gas%20and%20electricity%20retail%20marke >ts/conreps/001The%20Wholesale%20Electricity%20Market%20In%20Australia%2 >0-%20A%20Report%20To%20The%20Australian%20Energy%20Market%20Commission% >20(NERA%20Economic%20Consulting)%20-%20updated%2014%20March%202008.pdf > > >Regards, >Ben Guymer > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.1/1961 - Release Date: >02/19/09 18:45:00 _______________________________________________ bikeqld mailing list bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From telstar at cfsmtb.net Fri Feb 20 18:16:04 2009 From: telstar at cfsmtb.net (telstar@cfsmtb.net) Date: Fri Feb 20 18:17:21 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Cycling Safety Tips Videos Message-ID: <34075.121.214.116.250.1235175364.squirrel@cfsmtb.net> Down here in Melbs some of us are knocking back offers for special guest appearances on Home & Away. Ok, not really, but it's all for a good cause. Serious text content + links below. ;) cheers, Chris *** The Cycling Promotion Fund, the Amy Gillett Foundation and Digicast have produced four great video clips with tips on how to avoid common risks when cycling in traffic. These clips include: * Dealing with Intersections * Heavy Vehicles and Cyclists * Dealing with Car doors * Cyclist Visibility The clips have been developed by bicycle riders for bicycle riders with financial assistance from the TAC Community Grants program. Cycling Safety Tips Videos: http://www.cyclingpromotion.com.au/content/view/384/147/ Cycling Promotion Fund YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/cyclingpromotionfund -- ---------------------------------------- Don't get involved in partial problems, but always take flight to where there is a free view over the whole single great problem, even if this view is still not a clear one - Ludwig Wittgenstein http://cfsmtb.net http://www.woj.com.au http://www.ycat.org.au http://www.yarrabug.org/radio http://www.melbournecyclist.com ---------------------------------------- From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Sun Feb 22 20:41:25 2009 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Sun Feb 22 20:41:46 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Melbourne roads | bicycle lanes | commuter plans | reduced speed limit Message-ID: http://www.theage.com.au/national/melbourne-to-get-more-bike-lanes-20090 222-8epv.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090223/84fd4180/attachment.htm From sebastian.tauchmann at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 23:54:10 2009 From: sebastian.tauchmann at gmail.com (Sebastian Tauchmann) Date: Tue Feb 24 23:54:26 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] C-M: No excuse to not get on your bike, Brisbane residents told Message-ID: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25104193-3102,00.html The lesson: if you want to see C-M readers chuck a tantrum, suggest they get on a bike. Amazing. 240 comments and rising. Seb From gsfergus at optusnet.com.au Wed Feb 25 17:27:42 2009 From: gsfergus at optusnet.com.au (Glen Fergus) Date: Wed Feb 25 17:27:52 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] C-M: No excuse to not get on your bike, Brisbane residents told In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A3CEF02A4C0484384A154ADE91325CD@golder.gds> That an interesting map , because it demonstrates how extraordinarily poor many (most) of our trunk cycle commuting routes actually are. I'd suggest that a valid excuse on several would be the risk of imminent trauma or death. And Ads-are-hell on Lutwyche Road... G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090226/bf1990b0/attachment.htm From viller at itee.uq.edu.au Wed Feb 25 17:34:39 2009 From: viller at itee.uq.edu.au (Stephen Viller) Date: Wed Feb 25 17:34:45 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] conference bike Message-ID: <4F216422-7025-4393-B4C1-82DDD95FD56F@itee.uq.edu.au> Looking like a mobile trust exercise.... http://conferencebike.com/ --Stephen. From akayani at aapt.net.au Wed Feb 25 21:01:40 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Wed Feb 25 21:01:58 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] C-M: No excuse to not get on your bike, Brisbane residents told In-Reply-To: <0A3CEF02A4C0484384A154ADE91325CD@golder.gds> References: <0A3CEF02A4C0484384A154ADE91325CD@golder.gds> Message-ID: Speaking of Adhells. There were none down at Redcliffe a few months ago. And typical of Council their shelters were open to visibility and pushed back to the property line. But there was one this week. and it's not back at the property line but 2 feet in front of it. And typically safety has been hugely compromised for very questionable if any advantage in advertising visibility. I can feel a PDF coming on. this one is too hard to resist. And here is a picture. http://imagonullius.com/cycling/cycling-adshell-redcliffe.png Yani _____ From: bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au [mailto:bikeqld-bounces@bikeqld.org.au] On Behalf Of Glen Fergus Sent: February 26, 2009 9:28 AM To: Bikeqld Subject: RE: [bikeqld] C-M: No excuse to not get on your bike,Brisbane residents told That an interesting map , because it demonstrates how extraordinarily poor many (most) of our trunk cycle commuting routes actually are. I'd suggest that a valid excuse on several would be the risk of imminent trauma or death. And Ads-are-hell on Lutwyche Road... G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20090226/d203913a/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Thu Feb 26 02:10:02 2009 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Thu Feb 26 02:10:15 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] a definition of advocacy Message-ID: <20090226080956.OJLK19114.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Hi ... Recent international discussion has led to a simple challenge namely finding a useful "definition" of cycling advocacy ... Here is one that has emerged ... http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/advocacy/index.htm Lots to argue over ... no doubt but is there any better example? MY................................ From cameraperson at bigpond.com Thu Feb 26 02:44:26 2009 From: cameraperson at bigpond.com (Mick Fanning) Date: Thu Feb 26 02:44:41 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] conference bike In-Reply-To: <4F216422-7025-4393-B4C1-82DDD95FD56F@itee.uq.edu.au> References: <4F216422-7025-4393-B4C1-82DDD95FD56F@itee.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: <0190AFBC-5DBB-498F-9912-7DB2C878E633@bigpond.com> I've seen the bubbleheads http://conferencebike.com/Page3/frameset-3.htm cycling through central Amsterdam at night. It's an amazing sight. (Yes. I know what you're thinking... well I hadn't. But I bet it really freaked some people out.) Mick On 26/02/2009, at 9:34, Stephen Viller wrote: > Looking like a mobile trust exercise.... > > http://conferencebike.com/ > > --Stephen. > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. From xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au Thu Feb 26 03:15:11 2009 From: xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au (mich rolling) Date: Thu Feb 26 03:15:22 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] C-M: No excuse to not get on your bike, Brisbane residents told Message-ID: <475112.44116.qm@web44814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Anti-cycling comments are indeed near rabid BUT I detect a hint of humour/irony in some anti-bike comments and of near resignation (that bikes are going to increase in number no matter what real people want so...) the sullen masses of Greater Brisbane are beginning to accept bicycles. The same is happening w.r.t. Copenhagen Lanes in Sydney ( http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/comments/0,22058,25080462-5006009,0= 0.html ) These was a comment about the relation of fossil power generators to solar = power generators along the lines=20 - first dismiss it - then ridicule it - then fight to suppress it and finally - accept it Bicycles in Brisbane are up to the ridicule/suppress stage? First Solar has announced a solar panel manufacturing cost of 98cents US / = Watt peak=20 (http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/02/first-solar-p= asses-us1watt ). Solar is rapidly heading to daytime cost parity with gas, then coal. Yaayyy! Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au Thu Feb 26 04:54:50 2009 From: xdollarfuel at yahoo.com.au (mich rolling) Date: Thu Feb 26 04:55:07 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Where is my cycle-commute subsidy? Message-ID: <788238.60523.qm@web44806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The next Federal Budget will start to focus peoples minds starting next month. As seen below the Danes have sorted out some of the rationale behind paying for cycling; Qld and Australia could do the same. As a cyclist (currently without a car) I resent my colleague company car drivers getting several tax-payer subsidized car related subsidies while I, a gasless (she wishes) rider get sod all. Subsidies include free use of company car for 'home garaging', FBT benefits on leasing and salary packaging lease costs. Would that Kevvy would give cycle commuters similar tax breaks to car drivers. St Anna of Brisbane could also subsidize me - lets see - 8c/litre petrol subsidy @10km/litre urban cycle = 8c subsidy/10,000m I cycle 100km/week work-related =80 c/week I should be getting a state payment of $40/year for commuting, same again for shopping/social use. St.Anna. Where is my $80/year? The Borg probably thinks all cycleways should be circular around city parks as bicycles are obviously toys. http://www.copenhagenize.com/2008/05/rewarding-cyclists.html 3. Get Paid To Ride All of the common sense above should somehow lead to rewards for cyclists. A city council that builds segregated bike lanes, thereby encouraging citizens to ride, will be spending less on road works and public health. In Copenhagen we've discovered that: One extra kilometre of bike lanes on a road: Building bike lanes on streets with an average of 2,500 bikes and 10,000 cars each day would bring 18-20% more bikes on the stretch of road. Including a drop of 9-10% in the number of cars and 9-10% fewer accidents and injury. - A saving of 246,000 DKK in the health sector. - A saving of of 643,000 DKK in lost production. - A collective fall in health, production and accident costs each year totalling 633,000 DKK. - The extra kilometre would give 170,000 more cycle kilometres each year. - For every 1 krone spent, society would save 5 kroner. Now THAT is good economics. Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From akayani at aapt.net.au Thu Feb 26 05:13:33 2009 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Thu Feb 26 05:13:49 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] C-M: No excuse to not get on your bike, Brisbane residents told In-Reply-To: <475112.44116.qm@web44814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <475112.44116.qm@web44814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83C236EDF66846F5A7B4E43E28D5DCDE@maud> I want a tee shirt... Bike is to human As Car is to Dalek Yani From stephen.viller at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 19:24:41 2009 From: stephen.viller at gmail.com (Stephen Viller) Date: Sun Mar 1 04:24:09 2009 Subject: [bikeqld] Bike v Bus from Indooroopilly to CBD as a comic Message-ID: This is great http://www.recombinantrecords.net/docs/2009-01-Bicycle-versus-Bus.html -- Stephen Viller Brisbane, Australia stephen.viller@gmail.com