[bikeqld] Bike NAZIs on Coro Drive

[Michael Fanning]

Kim,

I'm sure nobody on this list has any doubts about council intentions  
regarding cyclists, even if some of us are distracted right now by the  
spectacle of Barnaby Joyce and Peter Garrett sitting side by side on  
national television.

But as for the BCC being interested about cyclists or pedestrians  
travelling to the city from the west, or anywhere else for that  
matter, get real. Have a look at my post about conditions on the other  
side of Coro drive.

The Lord Mayor might be interested (no irony intended here - I really  
believe he supports it in his own strange way) but the bureaucrats who  
run things do not.

Mick


On 30/04/2009, at 22:10 , kim wrote:

> I think Mick, that probably is important too from a legal liability  
> standpoint, but more important I believe, is sorting out the intent  
> of the signage. Does BCC really want to ban cyclists from that  
> section for the duration of the project or are they just happy for  
> the majority of users to believe that cyclists are banned there.  
> That is exactly what happened at Auchenflower last time; the BCC was  
> in no position to commit to banning cycles as it required too many  
> other things be done to comply with the laws so they did it in a  
> half hearted way and relied on the public and the traffic  
> controllers to get stuck into the cyclists and then the BCC simply  
> blamed them and said they were out of order when their bluff was  
> called and they were threatened with legal action.
>
> k
>
>
> Michael Fanning wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Ian,
>>
>> I must have missed that, not that it makes any difference to me :)
>>
>> I think it's important to determine whether this sign really has  
>> any legal status. It is inevitable that someone will complain about  
>> cyclists flouting this directive.
>>
>> Mick
>>
>>
>> On 30/04/2009, at 21:36 , Ian Lister wrote:
>>
>>> The sign Kim is referring to is visible in this photo:
>>>
>>> http://www.bikeqld.org.au/wiki/Image:Bicentennial_widening_outbound_approach_20090429.jpg
>>>
>>> It's a G9-58 "Cyclists Dismount" sign. MUTCD says "This sign  
>>> should be used where necessary to remind cyclists that they are  
>>> required to dismount before crossing a road on a pedestrian  
>>> crossing, a children's crossing or a marked pedestrian crosswalk  
>>> at traffic signals. The sign may also be used to warn cyclists to  
>>> dismount before reaching a particular place at or beyond it would  
>>> be hazardous to continue riding. A second sign indicating the  
>>> reason for the warning should, where appropriate, be mounted below  
>>> this sign."
>>>
>>> So although it is a black and white sign I don't believe it has  
>>> any regulatory value; it may be used only as a reminder of an  
>>> existing regulation or as an advisory warning of a hazard.
>>>
>>> This sign is similar to the older, black and white "Cyclists must  
>>> dismount to cross road" sign, which was removed from MUTCD some  
>>> years ago.
>>>
>>> Regardless of any of that, it's bizarre that the sign is at one  
>>> end of the walkway but not the other.
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2009, Michael Fanning wrote:
>>>> Hi Kim, I only saw yellow ones today but there might be black and  
>>>> white ones. Makes no difference to me because I like to show a  
>>>> good example to the kiddies by riding responsibly. Cyclists  
>>>> Dismount signs go into the same bucket as the helmet laws as far  
>>>> as I'm concerned. My kids are taught to ride appropriately in the  
>>>> presence of pedestrians. That includes riding across crossings,  
>>>> unless a policemanperson is watching :)
>>>>
>>>> But the last I heard, these signs were removed from the MUTCD a  
>>>> few years ago. Anybody else know for sure?
>>>>
>>>> Mick
>>>
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