[bikeqld] Cycling across crossings enforcement

Fri Apr 17 18:45:45 CDT 2009

On the good doctor's web site, he has online polls for whether bike  
signals should be installed on the Moggill Rd crossing and also for  
whether cyclists should be licensed. Get yourself there now and vote!
http://moggill.net/hot-issues/13-local-issues/2571-cyclists-beware.html

He also regurgitates the Courier Mail's false claim that Ben Wilson  
reckons cyclists should be licensed.

Mick

On 18/04/2009, at 08:09 , Michael Yeates wrote:

> Anthony,
>
> It is not at all uncommon for politicians to react to complaints  
> from trusted acquaintances without first checking for other  
> perspectives and in the case of Sylvan Road and Judy Magub, that is  
> exactly what we were told happened.
>
> Its rarely if ever first hand or if it is, it is off the record info.
>
> For example I was recently told that the "BQ was consulted" excuse  
> is wearing very very thin ...!
>
> Now I cannot check that of course but it makes sense as in this  
> example where (we are told) BQ was consulted ... as I mentioned  
> previously ...
>
> The problem then is to find out what BQ actually says when it is  
> consulted.
>
> So I would not be surprised at all if a local constituent sitting in  
> his car waiting for the lights watched cyclists flouting the law and  
> complained to Dr Flegg about it ... and it would not surprise me if  
> Dr Flegg then asked the police to take some action.
>
> But while that is all quite reasonable, it is also all  
> conjecture ... it could equally be someone who was walking across  
> the crossing and was startled by one or more cyclists overtaking in  
> an irresponsible manner ... and reported it to police.
>
> I am going to email Dr Flegg.
>
> MY...................
>
> At 05:26 AM 18/04/2009, Anthony Lee wrote:
>
>> Wait a minute. Could you explain why that is low? Scapegoating  
>> cyclists is not exactly new
>> and besides do the media really care? If anything the media would  
>> probably just join Flegg to
>> beat up on cyclists (as per usual). The Westside news has already  
>> done it.
>>
>> If Flegg or any other politicians really care about cyclists they  
>> would provide descent facilities
>> so that we don't have to break their precious laws.
>>
>> Anthony Lee
>> The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords?
>> ........-- __o
>> ....-- _ \<,_
>> ........(_) / (_)
>> E-Mail: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "dhorton at iprimus.com.au" <dhorton at iprimus.com.au>
>> To: Glen Fergus <gsfergus at optusnet.com.au>
>> Cc: bikeqld at bikeqld.org.au
>> Sent: Friday, 17 April, 2009 11:55:16 PM
>> Subject: RE: [bikeqld] Cycling across crossings enforcement
>>
>> Do you have anything support for that allegation against Dr Flegg?
>> I find that a bit low.
>>
>> Is anyone making noise outside of this forum, e.g. complaining or  
>> just putting
>> an opinion to Main Roads, the local member, Westside News or Police?
>>
>> David
>>
>> >-- Original Message --
>> >From: "Glen Fergus" <gsfergus at optusnet.com.au >
>> >To: "Bikeqld" <bikeqld at bikeqld.org.au >
>> >Subject: RE: [bikeqld] Cycling across crossings enforcement
>> >Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:05:42 +1000
>> >
>> >
>> >That article rather confirms my suspicion when I first heard
>> >about this thing.  It's not really likely that police would
>> >choose to act here off their own bat.  A PITA really.  More
>> >likely Flegg instituted the whole thing.  Those who recall
>> >Magub and the Sylvan Rd crossing at Milton Rd might guess
>> >why.  It goes like this:
>> >
>> >1.  Polly decides some stuff is needed in their patch, and
>> >    that they can score some credo by promoting it.
>> >2.  But they quickly discover that bureaucrats / engineers
>> >    in relevant works dept are not interested, especially
>> >    if bikes or peds are involved.  No real way around that.
>> >3.  But, believe it or not, polly can still manage to move
>> >    the plods into action by multiple pestering contacts.
>> >    Get them to book a few people, preferably with the press
>> >    in attendance.
>> >4.  That leads to some local news coverage for polly.
>> >    Score 1.
>> >5.  Then bureaucrat just might be obliged to reconsider.
>> >    Especially if Traffic Branch / local press / Minister's
>> >    office / local groups make a bit of noise.
>> >6.  Eventually, something might even get done.  Which polly
>> >    can trumpet (if they're still about).  Score 2.
>> >
>> >All of this came to pass at Sylvan Rd.  So make some noise,
>> >guys.
>> >
>> >G.
>> >
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