From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Wed Sep 3 22:47:36 2008 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Wed Sep 3 22:48:19 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] FW: C.C.C.C - Cadence Cycling Camp Casuarina. (fwd) Message-ID: See below for information on an upcoming cycling training camp. It's a commercial event but hey, it's been a bit quiet around here recently. The flyers mentioned are available at: Cheers, Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Julie Purcell To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:30:57 +1000 Subject: FW: C.C.C.C - Cadence Cycling Camp Casuarina. To whom it may concern: C.C.C.C - Cadence Cycling Camp Casuarina. Come along for the ride and Release the athlete within! QSM Sports is excited to provide the third C.C.C.C that will be held from Friday 3 to Monday 6 of October 2008 at the Casuarina Beach Resort. So pack your bag, bike and your partner for an unforgettable experience. The base for this camp is Casuarina Beach in Northern New South Wales, a stone's throw away from Salt, The Golden Door Day Spa and Mount Warning.From the hill climb summits you can see north to Queensland, including a distant view of the Glass House Mountains and a clear view of the Gold Coast skyline. To the east on a good day stretches the endless blue water of the Pacific Ocean, blending with blue skies on the horizon. The Cape Byron lighthouse is just a blip in the distance and Julian Rocks off Byron Bay can be seen jutting out of the sea. To the south, villages, dams, rivers and mountains make up the landscape, the endless coastline drawing a line between the fertile land and adjacent sea; while to the west, mountain peaks reach intermittently into the skyline, the valleys revealing a glimpse of the Great Dividing Range in the distance. All so perfect for peddling these bikes! The distances for the camp will vary from 100-150 km each day and will include regrouping on all the major climbs with a back-up support vehicle and mechanic. Once the riding is done, you have the opportunity to kick up your heels with the official presentation, dinner and party. The 3 day climbing camp is for intermediate to advanced riders. So for serious climbing, serious views and serious fun contact Nick Formosa to reserve your spot today. Call Nick on 07 3255 0671 or 0414 823 879, or email nick@cadencecycling.com.au As you know we are holding a cycling camp in approximately 4 weeks. Would you be able to promote the event by putting the attached flyers up around your organisation or business. If you have any further queries regarding the cycling camp feel free to contact: - Nick: nick@cadencecycling.com.au - Mike: mike@qsmsports.com Kind Regards, Julie Purcell From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Mon Sep 8 02:25:59 2008 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Mon Sep 8 02:27:00 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Cycling to NSW Message-ID: Hi all, What's the best way to cycle from southeast Queensland (Brisbane/Gold Coast) to northeast (coastal) NSW? Either for well inured road cyclists or for the more sensible? For now this is more idle curiousity than any specific plans or destinations, so any thoughts or comments are welcome. Thanks, Ian From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Mon Sep 8 08:29:39 2008 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Mon Sep 8 08:30:30 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Cycling to NSW In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BTW I was also meaning to ask about the new Tugun bypass that Main Roads has been busy congratulating itself over. I think I've heard (here?) that cycling is not permitted on it - is that right? Is it at all feasible to cycle on it, for somebody willing to disregard the signs? And, for the bureaucracy battlers among us, how does this fit with Main Roads' Cycling on State Controlled Roads policy? It's not a "priority cycling route" as it didn't even exist when the SEQ Principal Cycle Network Plan was published. I guess it's a "new road corridor" for which Main Roads will "allow for" cycling during planning? Did we end up with the "alternative alignment" of the future principal route down the Gold Coast Highway instead? Prior to banning cycling on the new road was there a "risk assessment, including consideration of any crash records and alternative routes [..] undertaken in consultation with cycle groups"? Ian On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Ian Lister wrote: > Hi all, > > What's the best way to cycle from southeast Queensland (Brisbane/Gold Coast) > to northeast (coastal) NSW? Either for well inured road cyclists or for the > more sensible? > > For now this is more idle curiousity than any specific plans or destinations, > so any thoughts or comments are welcome. > > Thanks, > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > bikeqld mailing list > bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ > http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld > This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > From the_chris_man_50 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 8 16:28:02 2008 From: the_chris_man_50 at yahoo.com (Chris Lewthwaite) Date: Mon Sep 8 16:28:14 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Cycling to NSW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <52072.54211.qm@web51503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/9/08, Ian Lister wrote: > From: Ian Lister > Subject: Re: [bikeqld] Cycling to NSW > To: bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au > Received: Monday, 8 September, 2008, 11:29 PM > BTW I was also meaning to ask about the new Tugun bypass > that Main Roads > has been busy congratulating itself over. I think I've > heard (here?) that > cycling is not permitted on it - is that right? Is it at > all feasible to > cycle on it, for somebody willing to disregard the signs? I've barely given a thought to the Tugun bypass because there are other options for heading south, but at a guess I'd say you're probably allowed to cycle on whatever section is on the NSW side of the Border, but not on the Queensland side. That said, given the general lack of law enforcement on Queensland roads, you'd probably get away with it if you went about it quietly. The route you're better off taking is Duringan street around Currumbin, turning left onto Teemangun Street, and following that road through Tugun, Kirra etc after it becomes Golden Four Drive. You can get onto the old highway at Coolangatta, and follow that through Tweed Heads, Banora Point etc before taking the Tweed Coast exit further south. Here you can either go south through Kingscliff and the "beer bottle stretch" at Causuarina, or my preferred option these days is slightly inland through Cudgen and Chinderah, rejoining the coast at Cabarita. Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail From entropic at iinet.net.au Mon Sep 8 17:44:04 2008 From: entropic at iinet.net.au (Daniel Young) Date: Mon Sep 8 17:44:11 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Police targeting cyclists in Yeronga Message-ID: <45529.1220913844@iinet.net.au> Hi all, Just a friendly warning that police are currently targeting cyclists running stop signs in the quiet back streets of Yeronga, and issuing $75 infringment notices. cheers, Daniel. From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Thu Sep 11 00:44:36 2008 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Thu Sep 11 00:47:13 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] RACQ backs 40kmh CBD speed limit Message-ID: Courtesy of CBD BUG folks, from . Quotes from the Lord Mayor: "It's about people and it's about cycling", and "It's also about our vision for the Brisbane CBD to be pedestrian and cycling friendly." Ian =====8<---- RACQ backs 40kmh CBD speed limit Tony Moore | September 11, 2008 - 10:46AM The RACQ backs Brisbane City Council's plans to slow city traffic to 40kmh but says cyclists should not be given a false sense of security. RACQ's executive manager of traffic and safety John Wikman said he did not think the change would greatly affect motorists, but warned cyclists still needed to be careful. "They are still going to have to take responsibility for their own actions in this streetscape," Mr Wikman said. Brisbane City Council will next year introduce an extra 2000 bikes into the central city through its bike hire system. "We certainly believe that 40kmh is more conducive to the environment in the CBD," Mr Wikman said. "But it shouldn't give the cyclists a sense of false sense of security." Mr Wikman also urged council to ensure the new 40kmh speed zone was effectively signed, similar to the two-hour parking limit signs. Lord Mayor Campbell Newman will this morning announce the start of a three-month consultation period and hopes to make a decision to slow the speed limits to 40kmh early in 2009. The move comes as research showed four people had died and 524 traffic accidents involving pedestrians had occurred in the inner-city between 2001 and 2006. Last June police conducted a crackdown on speeding on Brisbane's 50kmh inner-city streets, after 15-year-old All Hallows schoolgirl Caitlin Donohue was killed on Elizabeth Street. Those police checks showed traffic driving at 67kmh on Alice Street, 63kmh on Adelaide Street and 61kmh on Eagle Street. All inner-city streets except Ann and Turbot streets will be affected by the change. These two streets will stay at 60kmh It has become a major safety issue as Brisbane City Council plans to introduce a cycle hire scheme in the city and tackle major problems with jaywalking. "Forty (kilometres per hour) really does send a strong message about the sort of environment that we want in the heart of the city," Cr Newman said. "It's about people and it's about cycling, rather than about being able to whip through like its some form of bypass road." The speed restrictions will run from Alice Street, beside the Botanical Gardens, through to the CBD's border with Spring Hill. The council this week announced it would install a temporary traffic island at the intersection of Wharf, Queen and Eagle streets to help fix one of the city's worst accident blackspots. Police have informally supported the proposed speed restrictions, but asked that Ann and Turbot be exempt as they are major thoroughfares, Cr Newman said. "I would like most streets to be 40kmh, but we need to go through some pretty extensive consultation," Cr Newman said. "We need to do more traffic modelling about the implications. We need to talk to businesses and people who live in the CBD." Cr Newman said safety was his main concern. "It's also about our vision for the Brisbane CBD to be pedestrian and cycling friendly," he said. Council's new bike hire scheme could see 2000 bikes and up to 150 stations in an area extending from Newstead to the University of Queensland. The RACQ said it was important that Ann and Turbot streets stayed 60kmh because they were important through traffic routes. However Mr Wikman said this still demonstrated the Brisbane needed more effective road bypasses of the CBD. "We still need a proper bypass to keep traffic out of the CBD," Mr Wikman said. Campbell Newman last night said that was the aim of the TransApex projects now being built, the North South Bypass Tunnel, the Hale Street Link from Milton to South Brisbane and the Northern Link tunnel. He said 43 per cent of traffic through Brisbane's CBD did not need to go through the central city. From michael at yeatesit.biz Thu Sep 11 03:06:24 2008 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Thu Sep 11 03:06:28 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] RACQ backs 40kmh CBD speed limit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080911080610.XAVY29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Interesting ... given 40 is only 10km/h below the speed limit judged as appropriate on main urban roads in most of Europe where in CBD type areas, the speed limit would be 30 and quite often accompanied by subsidiary legislation/regulation giving pedestrians priority. As for the RACQ, well what's new ...? I have yet to see or read of John Wikman saying motorists "still needed to be careful" and "should take responsibility for their own actions in this streetscape," ...! And as for 60km/h being preserved on Ann and Turbot ... perhaps the Lord Mayor should try travelling at that speed ...! And for those who believe politicians, it would be worth reviewing whether "City Hall" promised through traffic would use the Bypass ... like it is supposed to use the NSBT ... which would mean no need for 60km/h ....! MY......................... At 03:44 PM 11/09/2008, Ian Lister wrote: >Courtesy of CBD BUG folks, from >. > >Quotes from the Lord Mayor: "It's about people and it's about >cycling", and "It's also about our vision for the Brisbane CBD to be >pedestrian and cycling friendly." > >Ian > >=====8<---- >RACQ backs 40kmh CBD speed limit > >Tony Moore | September 11, 2008 - 10:46AM > >The RACQ backs Brisbane City Council's plans to slow city traffic to >40kmh but says cyclists should not be given a false sense of security. > >RACQ's executive manager of traffic and safety John Wikman said he >did not think the change would greatly affect motorists, but warned >cyclists still needed to be careful. > >"They are still going to have to take responsibility for their own >actions in this streetscape," Mr Wikman said. > >Brisbane City Council will next year introduce an extra 2000 bikes >into the central city through its bike hire system. > >"We certainly believe that 40kmh is more conducive to the >environment in the CBD," Mr Wikman said. > >"But it shouldn't give the cyclists a sense of false sense of security." > >Mr Wikman also urged council to ensure the new 40kmh speed zone was >effectively signed, similar to the two-hour parking limit signs. > >Lord Mayor Campbell Newman will this morning announce the start of a >three-month consultation period and hopes to make a decision to slow >the speed limits to 40kmh early in 2009. > >The move comes as research showed four people had died and 524 >traffic accidents involving pedestrians had occurred in the >inner-city between 2001 and 2006. > >Last June police conducted a crackdown on speeding on Brisbane's >50kmh inner-city streets, after 15-year-old All Hallows schoolgirl >Caitlin Donohue was killed on Elizabeth Street. > >Those police checks showed traffic driving at 67kmh on Alice Street, >63kmh on Adelaide Street and 61kmh on Eagle Street. > >All inner-city streets except Ann and Turbot streets will be >affected by the change. These two streets will stay at 60kmh > >It has become a major safety issue as Brisbane City Council plans to >introduce a cycle hire scheme in the city and tackle major problems >with jaywalking. > >"Forty (kilometres per hour) really does send a strong message about >the sort of environment that we want in the heart of the city," Cr Newman said. > >"It's about people and it's about cycling, rather than about being >able to whip through like its some form of bypass road." > >The speed restrictions will run from Alice Street, beside the >Botanical Gardens, through to the CBD's border with Spring Hill. > >The council this week announced it would install a temporary traffic >island at the intersection of Wharf, Queen and Eagle streets to help >fix one of the city's worst accident blackspots. > >Police have informally supported the proposed speed restrictions, >but asked that Ann and Turbot be exempt as they are major >thoroughfares, Cr Newman said. > >"I would like most streets to be 40kmh, but we need to go through >some pretty extensive consultation," Cr Newman said. > >"We need to do more traffic modelling about the implications. We >need to talk to businesses and people who live in the CBD." > >Cr Newman said safety was his main concern. > >"It's also about our vision for the Brisbane CBD to be pedestrian >and cycling friendly," he said. > >Council's new bike hire scheme could see 2000 bikes and up to 150 >stations in an area extending from Newstead to the University of Queensland. > >The RACQ said it was important that Ann and Turbot streets stayed >60kmh because they were important through traffic routes. > >However Mr Wikman said this still demonstrated the Brisbane needed >more effective road bypasses of the CBD. > >"We still need a proper bypass to keep traffic out of the CBD," Mr >Wikman said. > >Campbell Newman last night said that was the aim of the TransApex >projects now being built, the North South Bypass Tunnel, the Hale >Street Link from Milton to South Brisbane and the Northern Link tunnel. > >He said 43 per cent of traffic through Brisbane's CBD did not need >to go through the central city. > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1665 - Release Date: >10/09/2008 7:00 PM From akayani at aapt.net.au Thu Sep 11 09:43:17 2008 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:43:29 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] RACQ backs 40kmh CBD speed limit In-Reply-To: <20080911080610.XAVY29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20080911080610.XAVY29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <000b01c9141c$ba5bfbc0$0301a8c0@maud> If only making a law and issuing a fine or two fixed the issue. In the USA they double fines in areas marked for road work. And there is zero speeding in those areas that I noticed. It's not all about the speed limit. It's more about aggressive driving and that is likely the result of traffic frustration. It would be better to just double ALL traffic fines in the city area. Yani From bulk at ingramtech.com Thu Sep 11 16:45:37 2008 From: bulk at ingramtech.com (Dave Ingram) Date: Thu Sep 11 16:46:01 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] RACQ backs 40kmh CBD speed limit In-Reply-To: <20080911080610.XAVY29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20080911080610.XAVY29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <48C99181.8020800@ingramtech.com> Michael Yeates wrote: > And as for 60km/h being preserved on Ann and Turbot ... perhaps the Lord > Mayor should try travelling at that speed ...! Has anyone ever managed 60km/h on Ann St? When I used to drive through there the traffic was snails pace. Sometimes it was just as easy to turn the car off and coast from All Hallows to the river! Turbot St on the other hand is a bit of a drag strip. CBD cycling would be improved by removing the "no right turn" from Adelaide into Edward (outbound). Stopping cars rat-running makes some sense, but forcing bikes up hills and onto 60km/h roads just so they can get to where they need to in the city is crazy. David. -- David Ingram (VK4TDI) To avoid spam trap, send email to dave at ingramtech dot com Brisbane, Queensland, Australia W: http://www.ingramtech.com/ MH: QG62lm From akayani at aapt.net.au Thu Sep 11 20:17:15 2008 From: akayani at aapt.net.au (Yani) Date: Thu Sep 11 20:24:51 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] RACQ backs 40kmh CBD speed limit In-Reply-To: <48C99181.8020800@ingramtech.com> References: <20080911080610.XAVY29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <48C99181.8020800@ingramtech.com> Message-ID: <000301c91475$4aec5060$0301a8c0@maud> Love your blog Dave. There you go a few minutes and some great solutions to Brisbane traffic. It's a shame the Mayor's approach to all issues is a 'paint roller' and a press release. You would think they could come up with something more real than an over all drop in the speed limit. Which of course will be ignored by those that are the problem in any case. Maybe banning the 'Canyon Arrows' from the city might have far more benefit. Oh dear that's right the environmentally friendly Mayor drives one. I keep forgetting that policy is to make the poor save the environment while the rich run a muck. I bet ya LM house is lit up like a Christmas tree with QIs to boot. Brisbane drops the speed limit to 40km and Holden make an 8 litre V8 for rich hoons. We need leaders who set good examples across the full spectrum of society. Yani From michael at yeatesit.biz Thu Sep 11 21:14:43 2008 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Thu Sep 11 21:14:40 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] RACQ backs 40kmh CBD speed limit In-Reply-To: <000301c91475$4aec5060$0301a8c0@maud> References: <20080911080610.XAVY29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <48C99181.8020800@ingramtech.com> <000301c91475$4aec5060$0301a8c0@maud> Message-ID: <20080912021422.FWVK29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Reducing the speed limit has a number of positive outcomes so should not be written off although clearly 30 is far better and internationally recognised. In fact many people from Europe who visit Oz find the traffic far too threatening so they simply do not ride bikes ... in fact I was talking with a recent visitor from Austria recently .. he is used to whole cities having 30km/h except where it is 50 on the main roads and they almost all have either quality bike lanes or a wide shared footpath. The fact that some drivers drive slower due to the slower speed limit means others have to also although for the loonies, this can encourage idiotic manoeuvres. So for those of us cyclists who also drive, committing to NEVER exceeding the speed limit is a useful strategy when driving. The enforcement aspect is also important but the reality is that the average or mean speed of all traffic will be slower if the limit is reduced from 50 to 40 or from 40 to 30, even if compliance is also reduced. It is the slower speed that is the real benefit not compliance. In fact because they require the same level of compliance at 100km/h as at 40km/h, the road managers argue against implementing slower speeds ... ignoring all the other benefits ... a view we should NOT support ...! As demonstrated in many locations worldwide, as the average/mean traffic speed drops, more cyclists will feel comfortable taking the lane or cycling more assertively such that bike lanes etc will then be much less necessary ... indeed providing bike lanes will generally be something of a waste of paint and signs because with more cyclists, more cyclists will simply ignore the bike lanes, especially so IF the idea of slower speed is promoted and endorsed ... including by the Lord Mayor and Councillors as well as all senior bureaucrats ...! Indeed it would be interesting to know how many speeding tickets have been issued to these people who are supposedly our leaders and who should be setting an example. Perhaps never having had a speeding ticket should be rewarded as a partial offset for choosing to drive a gas guzzler rather than something greener? MY....................... At 11:17 AM 12/09/2008, Yani wrote: >Love your blog Dave. > >There you go a few minutes and some great solutions to Brisbane traffic. > >It's a shame the Mayor's approach to all issues is a 'paint roller' and a >press release. You would think they could come up with something more real >than an over all drop in the speed limit. Which of course will be ignored by >those that are the problem in any case. > >Maybe banning the 'Canyon Arrows' from the city might have far more benefit. >Oh dear that's right the environmentally friendly Mayor drives one. I keep >forgetting that policy is to make the poor save the environment while the >rich run a muck. I bet ya LM house is lit up like a Christmas tree with QIs >to boot. > >Brisbane drops the speed limit to 40km and Holden make an 8 litre V8 for >rich hoons. > >We need leaders who set good examples across the full spectrum of society. > >Yani > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: >11/09/2008 6:55 PM From bulk at ingramtech.com Sun Sep 14 05:56:36 2008 From: bulk at ingramtech.com (Dave Ingram) Date: Sun Sep 14 05:56:59 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] RACQ backs 40kmh CBD speed limit In-Reply-To: <20080912021422.FWVK29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> References: <20080911080610.XAVY29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <48C99181.8020800@ingramtech.com> <000301c91475$4aec5060$0301a8c0@maud> <20080912021422.FWVK29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <48CCEDE4.1060805@ingramtech.com> Michael Yeates wrote: > As demonstrated in many locations worldwide, as the average/mean traffic > speed drops, more cyclists will feel comfortable taking the lane or > cycling more assertively such that bike lanes etc will then be much less > necessary ... indeed providing bike lanes will generally be something of > a waste of paint and signs because with more cyclists, more cyclists > will simply ignore the bike lanes, especially so IF the idea of slower > speed is promoted and endorsed ... including by the Lord Mayor and > Councillors as well as all senior bureaucrats ...! I agree 100% there. Growing up in Christchurch with 50km/h speed limits meant that traffic was not threatening. I didn't really appreciate it at the time, but on reflection I guess it wasn't too bad if I was biking to school from when I was 11. I do appreciate it now when I go back and I can cross the roads on foot without any hassle, even on fairly major thoroughfares like Marshland Rd (for the Christchurch savvy out there). The lower speed limits are enforced more rigorously too. At one stage (and it might still be the case) all police cars had 'Hawk' radars fitted that could be used with the vehicle in motion. This defeated the radar detectors in use (legally) as the radar was turned on for a second or two and the speeder nabbed. The other crazy thing about biking on the road in Christchurch was the total lack of bike lanes. They've all been put in during the last eleven years I've been in Brisbane. There was no need for them though since there was ample room for parking on the side of the road and one lane of traffic each way. The multi-lane roads like Blenheim Rd were OK to bike on too as there was room on the side. Brisbane seems hellbent on fitting as many car lanes onto the road as possible and that makes it hard to park a car or to ride a bike or slower scooter at the edge. It would be a good start though if the speed limits we do have were actually enforced with a big enough stick that people didn't want to risk speeding. David. -- David Ingram (VK4TDI) To avoid spam trap, send email to dave at ingramtech dot com Brisbane, Queensland, Australia W: http://www.ingramtech.com/ MH: QG62lm From michael at yeatesit.biz Sun Sep 14 17:16:15 2008 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Sun Sep 14 17:16:30 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] RACQ backs 40kmh CBD speed limit In-Reply-To: <48CCEDE4.1060805@ingramtech.com> References: <20080911080610.XAVY29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <48C99181.8020800@ingramtech.com> <000301c91475$4aec5060$0301a8c0@maud> <20080912021422.FWVK29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> <48CCEDE4.1060805@ingramtech.com> Message-ID: <20080914221609.RQWJ2301.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Thanks Dave, Interesting you should mention NZ .. as it has increasingly become a part of the Australian road authority "front" and is increasingly being "improved" ... towards Australian "standards" ...! My first introduction to 50km/h on main roads was in the winter of 1989 when accompanying a schoolboy rugby team. We were taken by bus to our motel on one of the middle ring main roads in Christchurch and having unpacked some warmer clothes, decided to go for a walk. The first few times we came to cross main roads, we stood there like dummies waiting for the approaching cars and trucks and buses to come ... and they took ages. It really is quite amazing how readily we become "brain-washed" into accepting something as normal. Equally it didn't take long to get used the much slower traffic. About 10 years later, I attended the Velo-city Conference in Graz in Austria. I have mentioned Graz ... it is the first and may still be the only city in the world which has implemented what in effect is a 30km/h (default) speed limit so you drive at 30 unless signed otherwise. As in most of Europe typical urban and suburban main roads are 50km/h. I was there for about 9 days ... walking, cycling and going to and from the conference. Not a lot of bike lanes as most roads were pretty easy for cycling. Some very good intersection and crossing treatments for pedestrians and/or for cyclists. I got very used to all that ... during my first day there ... cycling around in the city and out to its edges. But prior to going to Graz, I had committed to collecting a number of boxes of handout materials from QCC HQ in Ann Street for a Smogbusters or similar "day" ... on the morning of my overnight return to Brisbane. I must say I was really scared driving into the city having got used to the 30/50 in Graz but finding traffic in the St Lucia -Toowong - CBD travelling at 60-70k ... but in a few days, I was used to it again. The lessons? From my experiences and that of others, please just forget all the "but what if ...?" questions and the arguments for bike lanes and just strongly support 30km/h on the basis of its universal adoption ... but if 40 is all that is on offer, then that is a start. After all Adelaide Street works reasonably well with its "yellow bikes" and 50km/h but who knows/recalls that BCC was forced by QT and/or MR to remove the 40km/h speed limit BCC adopted from Edward to George Streets ...??? And much of the road network (except the RTA roads I suspect) in North Sydney CBD was made 40km/h some 8 years ago ... so it is not new and it is not impossible. And finally for those older non-Mexicans ... ;-) Who recalls the 28mph speed set and posted for Ann Street to provide a "green wave" from Commercial Road at Breakfast Creek to North Quay ...? mph? How long ago was that? 28mph (45km/h) in Ann Street? Why still insist on 60km/h? MY....................... At 08:56 PM 14/09/2008, Dave Ingram wrote: >Michael Yeates wrote: > > As demonstrated in many locations worldwide, as the average/mean traffic > > speed drops, more cyclists will feel comfortable taking the lane or > > cycling more assertively such that bike lanes etc will then be much less > > necessary ... indeed providing bike lanes will generally be something of > > a waste of paint and signs because with more cyclists, more cyclists > > will simply ignore the bike lanes, especially so IF the idea of slower > > speed is promoted and endorsed ... including by the Lord Mayor and > > Councillors as well as all senior bureaucrats ...! > >I agree 100% there. Growing up in Christchurch with 50km/h speed limits meant >that traffic was not threatening. I didn't really appreciate it at the time, >but on reflection I guess it wasn't too bad if I was biking to school from >when I was 11. I do appreciate it now when I go back and I can cross the roads >on foot without any hassle, even on fairly major thoroughfares like Marshland >Rd (for the Christchurch savvy out there). The lower speed limits are enforced >more rigorously too. At one stage (and it might still be the case) all police >cars had 'Hawk' radars fitted that could be used with the vehicle in motion. >This defeated the radar detectors in use (legally) as the radar was turned on >for a second or two and the speeder nabbed. > >The other crazy thing about biking on the road in Christchurch was the total >lack of bike lanes. They've all been put in during the last eleven years I've >been in Brisbane. There was no need for them though since there was ample room >for parking on the side of the road and one lane of traffic each way. The >multi-lane roads like Blenheim Rd were OK to bike on too as there was room on >the side. > >Brisbane seems hellbent on fitting as many car lanes onto the road as possible >and that makes it hard to park a car or to ride a bike or slower scooter at >the edge. It would be a good start though if the speed limits we do have were >actually enforced with a big enough stick that people didn't want to risk >speeding. > > >David. >-- >David Ingram (VK4TDI) >To avoid spam trap, send email to dave at ingramtech dot com >Brisbane, Queensland, Australia >W: http://www.ingramtech.com/ >MH: QG62lm > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: >14/09/2008 7:16 AM From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Sun Sep 14 18:27:51 2008 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Sun Sep 14 18:28:31 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Coloured squares near the Regatta (Re: Finally..... the long awaited Centennial Bikeway upgrade) In-Reply-To: <4885645E.1050507@teegee.com.au> References: <112840.88371.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4885645E.1050507@teegee.com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, kim wrote: [snip] > Back now at the Toowong end of things I am a little puzzled by those large > blue and red squares on the track near the regatta and the chevrons and slow > down signs. They have been there a while now. I thought the Council might > have generously donated the use of the track for line marshals when they hold > the boat regattas as I think it is opposite the boat sheds, but I could be a > cycnic. Or perhaps they were just trialling some different surface > treatments. Anyone got a clue about them? [snip] I still don't, but I noticed the other day that they've now got spray paint markings indicating impending removal. Did anybody here ever end up figuring out what they were, why they appeared, or why they're now disappearing? Cheers, Ian From r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au Sun Sep 14 20:22:21 2008 From: r.hockey at sph.uq.edu.au (Richard Hockey) Date: Sun Sep 14 20:22:31 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Trends in Pediatric and Adult Bicycling Deaths Before and After Passage of a Bicycle Helmet Law Message-ID: New article on helmet laws from Pediatrics Trends in Pediatric and Adult Bicycling Deaths Before and After Passage of a Bicycle Helmet Law http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/short/122/3/605 Richard Hockey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20080915/9844c588/attachment.htm From gsfergus at optusnet.com.au Sun Sep 14 20:53:22 2008 From: gsfergus at optusnet.com.au (Glen Fergus) Date: Sun Sep 14 20:53:36 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Coloured squares near the Regatta In-Reply-To: References: <112840.88371.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4885645E.1050507@teegee.com.au> Message-ID: <13CFBD864F014AC28881017F4201844B@golder.gds> > ... noticed the other day that they've now got spray > paint markings indicating impending removal. Did anybody > here ever end up figuring out what they were, why they > appeared, or why they're now disappearing? Gone this morning. Asphalt replacement there now, but not properly set flush with the adjacent pavement. Who cares, it's only a bikeway... It was a path surfacing trial, obviously - one hopes deemed unsuccessful. The coloured rubber stuff was as rough as hell. Bet it would also be seriously slow if applied to a long section of path. G. From gsfergus at optusnet.com.au Sun Sep 14 21:17:55 2008 From: gsfergus at optusnet.com.au (Glen Fergus) Date: Sun Sep 14 21:18:07 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Trends in Pediatric and Adult Bicycling Deaths Before andAfter Passage of a Bicycle Helmet Law In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E0BD51690D14C108587DA26A5C58852@golder.gds> A ~50% reduction was observed for children, but ... "For bicyclists ?16 years of age, there were only slight changes in the average number of deaths per year and the mortality rate per 100000 person-years, and the time series analysis demonstrated no significant change in deaths after legislation." A surprising result, at odds with Perth. It's not clear whether the data have been adjusted effectively for change in exposure (how did the total amount of cycling vary before vs after helmet legislation?) or for secular trend (was there a trend in death rates happening anyway, unrelated to helmets?). But I've only seen the abstract - the full text may contradict. Do you have a copy? G. From michael at yeatesit.biz Sun Sep 14 21:20:11 2008 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Sun Sep 14 21:20:27 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Trends in Pediatric and Adult Bicycling Deaths Before and After Passage of a Bicycle Helmet Law In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080915022010.GXEI29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Thanks Richard ... It is yet another study that does not appear to include for changes in exposure ie reductions or increases in the actual number of people cycling ... or where or how much more or less they cycle, etc etc. MY................... At 11:22 AM 15/09/2008, Richard Hockey wrote: >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C916D1.81072140" > >New article on helmet laws from Pediatrics >Trends in Pediatric and Adult Bicycling Deaths Before and After >Passage of a Bicycle Helmet Law > >http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/short/122/3/605 > >Richard Hockey > > >_______________________________________________ >bikeqld mailing list >bikeqld@bikeqld.org.au >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/ >http://www.bikeqld.org.au/mailman/listinfo/bikeqld >This list has NO affiliation with Bicycle Queensland. > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: >14/09/2008 7:16 AM From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Sun Sep 14 21:44:10 2008 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Sun Sep 14 21:44:50 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Trends in Pediatric and Adult Bicycling Deaths Before andAfter Passage of a Bicycle Helmet Law In-Reply-To: <3E0BD51690D14C108587DA26A5C58852@golder.gds> References: <3E0BD51690D14C108587DA26A5C58852@golder.gds> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008, Glen Fergus wrote: [snip] > A surprising result, at odds with Perth. It's not clear > whether the data have been adjusted effectively for change > in exposure (how did the total amount of cycling vary > before vs after helmet legislation?) or for secular trend > (was there a trend in death rates happening anyway, > unrelated to helmets?). My interpretation (of the abstract) was that non-causal changes in exposure were implicitly expected to be reflected in the figures for the adult population (which was not affected by the introduction of the law). Of course there could be a different change in exposure between the adult and child populations, in particular one due to the introduction of the law. Ian From gsfergus at optusnet.com.au Mon Sep 15 00:09:16 2008 From: gsfergus at optusnet.com.au (Glen Fergus) Date: Mon Sep 15 00:09:29 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Trends in Pediatric and Adult Bicycling Deaths Before and After Passage of a Bicycle Helmet Law In-Reply-To: References: <20080915022010.GXEI29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Message-ID: <281A77E495FD4F38B6631514570E4E93@golder.gds> Thanks Richard, I should learn to read more carefully. The -50% result for children looks to be reasonably robust. The authors claim that the statistical method used is resistant to secular trend, and they report some limited data which suggests that exposure did not change much over the study period. So what do we make of it? G. From airportbug at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 06:59:27 2008 From: airportbug at gmail.com (Airport BUG) Date: Tue Sep 16 06:59:40 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Changes to cycle routes at Kalinga Park/ Toombul as part of Airport Link project. Message-ID: <9083b07a0809160459h511e9d6cn7351f01515b7da45@mail.gmail.com> Good morning all I am on the Community Liaison Group for the Airport Link project for the Toombul area. This project involves the construction of tunnels from Kedron and the City which connect to the East West Arterial Road. See the project website : http://www.citynorthinfrastructure.com.au/ The company responsible for the planning and construction ( and community liaison) is Brisconnections:- http://www.brisconnections.com.au/default.aspx?tabid=54 You may may be interested to view scale models of the roadworks (and cycle routes) which are available at the Brisconnections Visitor Information Centre at 109 Gympie Rd Kedron ((intersection of Stafford and Gympie Roads). Info centre hours are: Wed 10am - 4 pm, Thurs 2pm - 7 pm, Fri 10am - 4 pm and Sat 9 am - 12 pm A model of the proposed rerouting of the bicycle path from Kalinga Park to Toombul is on display. The current bicycle bicycle route from Kalinga Park under Sandgate Road will be diverted to the other side of the canal in the next month or so to allow tunnel works to commence. There is also a model of the Airport Roundabout Upgrade, featuring an overpass and 'fast diamond' intersection as a replacement for the current roundabout. I have no information as yet regarding on road bicycle lanes. I believe there may be an opportunity for on road bicycle lanes to be included as part of the roadworks on Sandgate Road in front of Toombut Shopping because the current bridge there will be widened. I will also be advocating for bicycle lanes or at least a decent sealed shoulder on East West Arterial Road and the Airport Roundabout upgrade. I hope cyclists will provide feedback on the proposed designs. You can contact me, and I will pass it onto the project team or you can provide feedback directly to Brisconnections via contacts on their web site . 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5DC1ED8C34FC4F908C475889A1DCFCE0@maud> http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2008/speedchallenge-2008.htm >From peddle faster. and faster. Yani -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20080918/bd988e2c/attachment.htm From list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net Wed Sep 17 23:13:55 2008 From: list-bikeqld at lister.dnsalias.net (Ian Lister) Date: Wed Sep 17 23:16:54 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Need for speed... In-Reply-To: <5DC1ED8C34FC4F908C475889A1DCFCE0@maud> References: <5DC1ED8C34FC4F908C475889A1DCFCE0@maud> Message-ID: Wow... up to ~130 km/h. Those guys are pretty serious. I saw this the other day: http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/misc/nocom.htm ...but didn't realise just how serious about going fast they are. Does anybody know of any NoComs or similar in this part of the world? Cheers, Ian On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Yani wrote: > http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2008/speedchallenge-2008.htm > > > >> From peddle faster. and faster. > > > > Yani > > From doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au Wed Sep 24 03:28:50 2008 From: doctorw1963 at yahoo.com.au (Anthony Lee) Date: Wed Sep 24 03:29:10 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] HSL Update Message-ID: <507779.26124.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Has anyone seen this update? Thanks Ian for up loading it for me to the Wiki. Anthony Lee The Doctor -- the last of the Time Lords? ........-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ........(_) / (_) E-Mail: doctorw1963@yahoo.com.au Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20080924/f48881ba/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Wed Sep 24 21:32:04 2008 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Wed Sep 24 21:31:47 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] On road cycling ... where "appropriate"? In-Reply-To: <4F51CF02179D2247B9ED6AFA54E2DF6E087153B2@BNEXVS02.prod.ad. internal> References: <4F51CF02179D2247B9ED6AFA54E2DF6E087153B2@BNEXVS02.prod.ad.internal> Message-ID: <20080925023121.OXVO1865.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Hi all ... Received the following (see below) which no doubt will be of interest ... I am especially looking forward to enjoying "a vast system of linked bikeways stretching from Noosa down the Sunshine Coast through Brisbane and Ipswich to the Gold Coast." ... but am left wondering when it might become useful / usable. However it is also interesting how impressive (but confusing if the terms are used correctly) it all is with bikeways, bikepaths, cycle networks, cycle routes, (mainly it seems off-road and including for jogging and walking) ... see the bit now in red below and as for any IPA involvement in end-of-trip or other facilities, the bit now in green says it all ...! As we (?) certainly do NOT want cyclists on Queensland's roads, I especially like the bit where Mr Lucas says "wherever possible, bikeways were provided separately from the existing roadway, to cater for all road users" ...! Surely he means to cater for motorists ?? And what exactly IS a "cycle priority lane" ...? It sounds ominously like the "bike lane" you have when you do NOT have a complying "bike lane". Surely not ...! When you see the RTA rolling out signed shoulders on motorways (but QT-MR ban them in Qld) and on local rural roads and/or find extensive paths between townships, and lots of 40km/h streets in shopping areas and town centres so there is really no need for bike lanes or paths, its easy to see why there is plenty to do here in Qld. It all seems to be "special" projects rather than integrated or simply "normal"... and most of it is still way in the future ... despite the billions being spent on roads. Maybe someone can find the list and the plans of the projects? Have they been fully designed and costed? With any consultation? MY............ From the PS News >Approval has been given for 88 new projects that >would expand the South East Queensland cycle network by an extra 90km. >According to Acting Premier Paul Lucas, the new >projects were an investment in the health and >liveability of South East Queensland. >?The projects are part of the State Government?s >commitment of $556 million over 20 years for the >development of cycle routes,? Mr Lucas said. >?Today?s $18 million State Government commitment >will be matched by funding from Local >Governments so all up, this will deliver $36 >million worth of new and upgraded bikeways.? > > > He said the projects were an important > part of the Government?s long-term strategy to > reduce reliance on private vehicles, cut > traffic congestion and carbon emissions, and > improve the health of Queenslanders. > ?Most bikeways can be used for cycling, > jogging or walking ? all healthy alternatives > to get people around the South East without the need for cars.? > He said the South East Queensland Cycle > Network would provide a vast system of linked > bikeways stretching from Noosa down the > Sunshine Coast through Brisbane and Ipswich to the Gold Coast. > ?This is a massive boost to our bikeway program,? Mr Lucas said. > ?The State Government funded 32 cycling > projects with Local Governments in 2006/2007, > 61 projects in 2007/2008 and work is now > beginning on these 88 projects, due for completion in 2008/2009.? > Mr Lucas said wherever possible, bikeways > were provided separately from the existing > roadway, to cater for all road users, including > school children. Where appropriate, cycle > priority lanes would be clearly marked on traffic lanes on existing wide roads. > ?The funding also provides for route signage > to help bikeway users find their way around the > system to activity centres, employment areas, > shops, schools, public transport and other destinations.? > The Acting Premer also encouraged employers > to provide end-of-trip facilities that included > secure bicycle racks, showers and change areas > so staff and visitors could ride or walk to work. > Details of the projects and more information > about the South East Queensland Cycle Network > Program was available at: > www.transport.qld.gov.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bikeqld.org.au/pipermail/bikeqld/attachments/20080925/e2ea6273/attachment.htm From michael at yeatesit.biz Thu Sep 25 20:27:30 2008 From: michael at yeatesit.biz (Michael Yeates) Date: Thu Sep 25 20:27:54 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] more about NOT cycling on road Message-ID: <20080926012730.HTDI2301.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@yit01.yeatesit.biz> Hi ... This issue of (not?) providing for cyclists on roads is a worry ... as I pointed out yesterday morning. Then yesterday afternoon I had to head north on Route 5 (previously Route 20) which is under Main Roads control. As many will know, Main Roads has plans to make some major changes at the Bardon shopping centre (along Macgregor Terrace and into Jubilee Terrace) ... primarily to get more cars through more quickly. The "side" roads leading to this area are Simpson and Coopers Camp Roads from the north and west and Latrobe Terrace from the southeast (Paddington and the CBD). These are all marked out with the "yellow BIKEs" and Latrobe Terrace is also 50km/h. These are under Brisbane City Council control. The access from the south is the southern extension of Macgregor Terrace (the steep climb beside Government House) viz Kaye Street to Boundary Road under Main Roads control and another network of "cyclist friendly" side roads under BCC control. The northern access is the extension of Route 5 along Jubilee Terrace to Waterworks Road under Main Roads control. Route 5 is as important a link for cyclists as it is for motorists especially so because the ridges and valleys are east-west and many are suitable or "cyclist friendly" roads or have creekside paths already. Main Roads has been requested to provide space for cyclists at virtually every publicly notified road modification along this corridor and in virtually every case, some consideration has been made but also, there is always a number of locations in each project where Main Roads somehow manages to "forget" ...!!! The most recent example is the now nearly completed modification of the intersection of Jubilee and Kennedy Terraces where Main Roads has banned parking on both sides of the approaches and in doing so has created a shoulder which could later be a bike lane or have the "yellow BIKEs" except that again cyclists were forgotten ...! The easy rule here is to ALWAYS leave at least 1m preferably 1.5m of shoulder (ie the space between the left edge line and the kerb) ... and this could quite easily have been applied to this project ... but no such luck. If only someone in Main Roads was REQUIRED to check these projects for "space for cyclists" ... it would often only require a minor shift of line marking ...! And how easy is THAT on drawings ?? The problem seems to be that there is no standard "Quality Assurance" system in place on (any?) Main Roads projects to ensure that (to quote from Minister Lucas) Main Roads does indeed "cater for all road users" as normal practice ... as normal as checking for suitability for cars, trucks, buses, etc as part of the standard design process. This may also be because despite the rather grand sounding Main Roads policy, in fact as yet Main Roads has no management systems that REQUIRE cycling to be provided on all state controlled Main Roads. It is worth a look ... just to put the millions being spent on cycling facilities off-road into perspective. If Main Roads keeps building and modifying roads so that they are NOT catering for cyclists, then clearly millions will be needed for the off-road paths. But if that IS the case, then when Main Roads "forgets" cyclists as here at this intersection, why isn't the off-road path part of the intersection treatment project? And yes like the bridge across the Western Freeway that does NOT suit local cycling commuting or getting to school etc, this too is in the Treasurer's state seat ... and he seems quite happy for the roads to be improved (but made worse for cyclists) and then to fork out the money for the off-road paths. I would suggest a network plan of these off-road paths is needed right now so it is obvious what this "new" policy of "off-roading" of cycling in urban areas implies and requires and to show exactly how the paths connect to provide the network Minister Lucas is promoting. One reason for this is the failure of Main Roads to respond to the "consultation" on Macgregor Terrace in which these issues were raised and to date, silence. The other is that despite the fact that a surprising number of cyclists DO use these Main Roads routes (and yes it is hilly but so is much of Brisbane so it really only requires "space on the road for cyclists", the Main Roads perception seems to be that because not a lot of cyclists use them, then there is no need to provide for cyclists ... a sure way to end up with fewer and fewer cyclists ...! The contrary view (and implicit but NOT explicit in the state transport policies and rhetoric) is that cycling is encouraged as Mr Lucas said yesterday "an important part of the Government's long-term strategy to reduce reliance on private vehicles, cut traffic congestion and carbon emissions, and improve the health of Queenslanders." Is NOT providing (space) for cyclists the way Main Roads keeps cyclists off its roads? It seems so ... despite the policy and its title name ...! MY..................... From airportbug at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 16:48:31 2008 From: airportbug at gmail.com (Mitch Bright) Date: Fri Sep 26 16:48:45 2008 Subject: [bikeqld] Diversion of bicycle route from Kalinga Park to Toombul Message-ID: <9083b07a0809261448m438884a9rb1d9a361d48f28c2@mail.gmail.com> Good morning all Information regarding commencement of construction activities in Kalinga Park and rerouting of the bicycle path from Kalinga Park to Toombul is in the latest community notice from Brisconnections. (Brisconnections are the contractor building the road tunnels to the airport - Airport Link Project.). To view the newsletter go the the Brisconnections Community Notificationspage and click on Construction Site Establishment - Toombul Precinct. The notice advises the current bicycle bicycle route from Kalinga Park under Sandgate Road will be diverted to the north side of the canal in the next month or so to allow tunnel works to commence. I believe this will become the permanent location for the path. As I am on the Community Liaison Group for the project for the Toombul area representing Airport BUG, I am advocating for improved cycle access as an outcome of this project, including on-road bicycle lanes. I believe the project offers an opportunity for on-road cycle lanes to be included on Sandgate Road at Toombul, East West Arterial Road and the Airport Roundabout Upgrade, since the construction project mostly rebuilds these roads. Although the project promises 'enhancements to pedestrian and cycle paths,' I have no information from Brisconnections as yet regarding inclusion of on-road bicycle lanes in this project. 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